***Official Miami Dolphins Thread pt 2 - Fitzmagic time again***

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  1. Sterling A

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    Kiko Alonso and Dion Jordan were roommates at Oregon. Jordan eligible to return from suspension next month. Maybe Kiko can motivate him
     
  2. three stacks

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    kiko's dad is Cuban and his mom is Colombian. that's all i have to add for today
     
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  3. Flintheart Glomgold

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    If they work out then great, we better not have given up anything meaningful for two questions marks Philly wanted unloaded. Hard to be excited about Alonso when he's torn the same ACL twice in 2 years
     
  4. Sterling A

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    anything besides a 1st or 2nd round pick im good with. Have a feeling its a 2nd rounder though
     
  5. CF3234

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    watching NFL network and pretty much everyone is in agreement that the return probably isn't that big if it hasn't been released yet. usually a team acquiring a pick wants it out there as soon as possible that they picked up a high value draft pick
     
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  6. Flintheart Glomgold

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    a 2 would be way too much. Has to be considerably less than that.
     
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  7. Fancy

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    >be at Oregon taking summer school classes
    >go to student rec between classes to lift
    >doing dumbbell exercises on flat bench
    >rack dumbbells and grab heavier (still light tho) weights
    >return to find flat bench gone
    >see Kiko dragging your bench
    >stare at Kiko
    >Kiko stares back with fury of 1,000 Cuban suns "wishing an ese would"
    >leave rec center immediately
     
  8. Flintheart Glomgold

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    The Dolphins will be taking on Maxwell’s full contract for 2016, according to Jason La Canfora of CBSSports.com (Twitterlinks), who adds that the cornerback’s deal will be reworked for 2017.

    I don't get it.
     
  9. Sterling A

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    Dolphins pay full $8.5 million salary for Maxwell this year. Next year his salary is $10m but only $3m guaranteed
     
  10. CF3234

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    ok. so my original thought was right. if he gets cut, its only a 3 million cap penalty
     
  11. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I meant I don't understand why. Kills all the cap space we clear releasing Grimes.
     
  12. KeepingItRealSince1853

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    Welcome to the Miami Dolphins.
     
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  13. George Costanza

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    Thank you for your sacrifice by taking on these bums. Maxwell was pure garbage. Had high hopes for Kiko but with Kendricks and the emergence of Jordan Hicks, he won't be needed.
     
  14. Sterling A

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    Dave Hyde seems to think it wont be higher than a 5th

     
  15. Jack Parkman

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    Byron Maxwell cap hit this year will be $8.5M. Numbers 2017-19 go to $10M. That's where issue is. Not '16.

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    For the metrics folks: Adam Jones was No. 15 rated CB by ProFootballFocus. Brent Grimes was No. 41. Both men are 32 years old.

    -Armando
     
  17. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Adam jones living in Miami seems like asking for trouble
     
  18. Yanks711

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    Kiko Alonso for a 5th or less is a good deal, I'm willing to gamble on Maxwell if that's what gets the deal done. Seen a couple articles suggesting it was a scheme fit issue in Philly.
     
  19. Ranch Wilder

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    In zero surprise, Omar Kelly is ripping the organization to shreds. I have zero idea why the team continues to let him hang around the facility
     
  20. Flintheart Glomgold

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    That's how I feel about you and the Heat thread.
     
  21. Jack Parkman

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    And also why are u reading Omar Kelly
     
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  22. George Costanza

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    No he was just genuinely awful whenever it mattered. Also a soft ass pussy who is afraid to get his nose dirty and actually hit somebody.
     
  23. Jack Parkman

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    Ehh...had he not had the year he had in buffalo the year before I'd believe you
     
  24. Sterling A

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    Dolphins have restructured Jordan Cameron's contract, terms not disclosed yet

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    Quick update: #Dolphins TE Jordan Cameron's old cap number was $9.5 million before the restructure. He had a salary of $7.5 million.
     
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  25. Sterling A

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    Mel Kiper new mock draft has us taking

    Myles Jack, linebacker, UCLA.

    The move would be a perfect one for the Dolphins, though there are other options that could be considered here, including potentially doubling down on the cornerback position instead, targeting Florida's Vernon Hargreaves, who Kiper has being selected ninth by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    Kiper explains his pick of Jack, writing, "A top-five player on my board, I think Jack could benefit any team in the league thanks to his skill set at linebacker and special ability to cover from that position." Picking eighth and getting a top five player on the "big board" is never a bad thing - this could be one of the rare situations where best player available and need go hand-in-hand.

    How could free agency change Miami's target with this pick? Kiper writes about that as well, "Free-agency effect: The Dolphins could be in the market for a pass-rusher if Olivier Vernon is too expensive, and that could push a guy like Shaq Lawson up the board."

    That would not be a bad selection either, especially if Miami loses Vernon but does not land a defensive end in free agency. The team has met with Mario Williams already and is said to have interest in several other pass rushers if they lose Vernon, but drafting a player like Lawson could solve the issue.
     
  26. Jack Parkman

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    Looks like we're losing Lamar miller, possibly to Houston
     
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    Source tells @NFLonFOX that @MiamiDolphins restructured Jordan Cameron contract from $7.5M to $6M total for '16 season. No extra years added
     
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    petition to thread ban anyone who posts about miko grimes
     
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  30. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Apparently we are trying to trade Grimes now instead of just flat releasing him.
     
  31. Sterling A

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    thats the best part, she doesnt even know what they are planning
     
  32. Ranch Wilder

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    Good luck getting anything beyond a late round pick for him. Bae has effectively torpedoed his career
     
  33. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I'm sure that's the plan. It gives us no cap relief different than releasing him. Sounds like the ship has sailed on Lamar Miller considering us too.
     
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  35. Ranch Wilder

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    I'd be down on taking a flyer on Williams
     
  36. Flintheart Glomgold

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    If we sign Williams, are we making no effort to resign Vernon, or showing Wake the door?
     
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    9 a.m. update: Dolphins in talks with well-regarded guard; 8 p.m. update: Dolphins in mix for Pacman Jones; What Dolphins are getting in Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell; More changes for College Football Playoff
    Determined to upgrade at guard, the Dolphins are in conversations with a few veterans, including 49ers free agent Alex Boone.

    Boone would be a significant upgrade over either Dallas Thomas or Billy Turner, based on career resume and 2015 performance.

    Pro Football Focus rated him the 33rd among 81 guards last season. Turner was 69th and Thomas 81st.

    The 6-8 Boone played for new Dolphins offensive line coach Chris Foerster in San Francisco last season, and they have a good relationship.

    Boone has played all six years of his career with San Francisco, including the past four as a starter at guard. He started 13 games last season before missing the final three with a knee injury that wasn't considered major. He is a two-time Pro Bowl alternate.

    He also can played tackle and shifted there in 2012 to become a starter at guard.

    Boone has several suitors, with Arizona reportedly among others who have shown interest.

    The Dolphins also have reached out to Seahawks veteran guard JR Sweezy and had a preliminary conversation expressing some interest in Geoff Schwartz. Other guard options include Jeff Allen, Ramon Foster, Brandon Brooks, Zane Beadles, Jahri Evans, Michael Harris and Chris Chester.

    ### ESPN's Adam Schefter reported today that the Dolphins "continue to look like the team to beat for Mario Williams. They're talking.... to see if they can get a deal worked out."
    ### Per Fox's Alex Marvez, Jordan Cameron's pay cut ended up being $1.5 million --- from $7.5 million to $6 million. The team wanted the additional cap space.

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    8 p.m. update: After agreeing on a deal to bring Byron Maxwell to Miami, the Dolphins aren't close to being done at cornerback. The Dolphins are among teams in the mix for Bengals free agent cornerback Pacman Jones, a source with knowledge of the discussions said today.

    Businessman and former rapper Luther Campbell, the defensive coordinator at Miami Jackson High, tweeted that Jones "will be coming to Miami Dolphins." The source declined to go that far but said Miami certainly has a chance to land him.

    As we noted in January, we expected the Dolphins to be interested in Jones because he excelled playing under new Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph the past two years, with Joseph serving as the Bengals' defensive backs coach.

    But the Dolphins have competition; the Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and Vikings also reportedly have interest. And Cincinnati wants to keep him.

    Jones, 32, was rated the 15th best cornerback by Pro Football Focus last season (among 111 qualifiers) and 13th in coverage.

    He had three picks, 62 tackles and a sack in 14 appearances, all starts. Jones has three interceptions each of the last three years.

    Pro Football Focus rates him the third best cornerback in free agency, behind Kansas City's Sean Smith and Green Bay's Casey Heyward.

    Here's what PFW said: "Jones has been a solid player in the Bengals’ secondary since signing with the team in 2011. He has never finished with a below-average coverage grade in the PFF-era. He’s coming off his second-highest coverage grade over that time, and allowed a passer rating of 60.0 when targeted by opposing quarterbacks. One weakness for Jones, though, is his propensity for missed tackles, with 35 over the last three seasons. Jones turns 33 years old in September, and would really only be a short-term solution, but he could certainly help tighten up a secondary as an outside corner."

    The Dolphins have made preliminary inquiries on other cornerbacks, including Patrick Robinson.

    If Jones signs, he would join Maxwell as likely starters. Another corner also would be added, with UF's Vernon Hargreaves in the mix for Miami's pick at No. 8. The Dolphins also plan to develop Tony Lippett and Bobby McCain, and Jamar Taylor remains under contract.

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    In acquiring inside linebacker Kiko Alonso and cornerback Byron Maxwell (the deal is being finalized as we speak), the Dolphins obviously hope they will be getting the productive, ascending players who excelled for the Bills and Seahawks previously, not the ones who underperformed last year in Philadelphia.

    Alonso, 25, was outstanding as a rookie for the Bills in 2013, finishing with 87 tackles, four picks and two sacks in 16 starts. He was named Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Pro Football Writers Association.

    But he tore the ACL in his left knee working out in Oregon the following offseason and missed the entire 2014 season.

    The Bills then traded him to Philadelphia last March for running back LeSean McCoy. But in the Eagles’ Week 2 game, he suffered a partial tear to that same left ACL. He missed five weeks before returning for the final nine games of the season.

    But he started only one of those nine games and had modest stats for the season (43 tackles, no sacks, one INT). The interception was an impressive one-handed grab against Atlanta in the season opener.

    “I need to make more plays. It’s just frustrating, because I want to make more plays,” he told Eagles reporters at the end of the season.

    Eagles defensive coordinator Bill Davis said at the end of the season: “I think he'll make a big leap [in 2016]. I really do. I think having last year off with no football, this year starting with the injury and coming off and always thinking about it, [playing] in a new system — and there are no excuses here for Kiko. Everyone has got to play better and do better.”

    He's a bargain at $991,418 next season.

    As for the 28-year-old Maxwell, he did not justify the six-year, $63 million contract that the Eagles gave him the previous offseason. He had two picks and 10 passes defended in 14 games, all starts.

    Maxwell, who seems better suited to a zone system than Philadelphia’s scheme, had seen his stock rise after two very good seasons in Seattle, including one featuring four interceptions in 16 games (five starts) in 2013, and two picks (13 games, 12 starts) in 2014. That led to the big contract in free agency.

    Here’s how CSN-Philadelphia Eagles insider Andrew Kulp assessed Maxwell:

    “It would be fair to characterize Maxwell’s season as up and down. It began at a low point with Julio Jones’ big game [against him] – nine catches for 141 yards and two touchdowns – then the following week, Maxwell appeared to give less than full effort on a 42-yard Terrence Williams catch-and-run during the fourth quarter of a loss to the Cowboys.

    “Maxwell would turn it around in the weeks that followed. According to Pro Football Focus, from Weeks 3 to 13, the fifth-year corner was targeted 45 times in coverage, allowing 28 completions for 365 yards – a meager 8.1 average per attempt – and zero touchdowns. That works out to 45 yards per game, minus Week 4 against Washington, when he exited early with an injury. Yards per catch were kept to a minimum as well at just 92 total, and he only surrendered one reception over 23 yards during that span.

    “But Maxwell would go on to end the season poorly, giving up big plays in back-to-back games against Buffalo and Arizona before going out with an injury. That’s the last thing people remember, which coupled with an ugly first impression, has many people down on his play overall.

    “Maxwell,” Kulp went on to write, “is not a shutdown cornerback, which is what might be expected for the cost. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good addition to the Eagles roster. At the very least, he was certainly an improvement over what they had. The reality is Maxwell is not a bad player, he’s merely overpaid… Essentially, it was a two-year gamble on Maxwell developing into an elite cornerback. He has the size, talent and pedigree. Based on his body of work in Seattle, you couldn’t blame anybody for thinking he might make that leap.”

    Pro Football Focus rated Maxwell 75th among 111 corners last season. Brent Grimes, expected to be cut, was rated 41st.



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  38. Jack Parkman

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    We'll probably rescind that tag to OV
     
  39. Sterling A

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    will drop the transition and let him walk, which is probably the smart decision
     
  40. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Agreed, but I do wonder. Wake is 34 and coming off a torn Achilles tendon, carries a $9m cap hit and we had no luck restructuring.
     
  41. Jack Parkman

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    #Dolphins nearing a deal with DE Mario Williams on a new deal. May be worth roughly $8M per year. May allow team to cut DE Cam Wake.

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  42. Flintheart Glomgold

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  43. LeonardWashington

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    $8 million for Mario Williams? Damn. He looked washed up as fuck last year

    Also surprised we kept Jordan Cameron at that price. He didn't do shit last year
     
  44. three stacks

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    I'd rather drop wake and keep Vernon if we're getting Williams
     
  45. Flintheart Glomgold

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    provided we can keep vernon. we will save $1.5 if we get williams at $8 and cut Wake. Saved another $1.5 from cam jordan. Would be nice if we could get a long term deal done with OV.
     
  46. Jack Parkman

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    He didn't fit well at all in Ryan's system
     
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    This x100

    Just feel like some team is going to give OV a monster deal we won't want to match
     
  48. LeonardWashington

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    This is some top notch spin right here. Seems every player we are getting "just didn't fit into the system". Guess we will see
     
  49. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I don't know about not being a scheme fit for Ryan, but we will definitely use him differently. Hopefully it pays off.