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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jigga, Feb 11, 2016.
Hard disagree there... but that’s ok!
His arm is fine, it's just that sometimes his mechanics are trash. That's obviously a big problem, but correctable in theory.
I don't think Love and Herbert 'suck' but hard to justify taking either at 5. Herbert improved every year at Oregon, but he's a higher floor/lower guy in my estimation who's probably a middle of the road NFL starter best case. Love is a complete project.
he was better his FR year than soph
If we stick at 5 and Tua is there you have to take him. Tough for me to say as I have been against taking him from the beginning (and continue to wish we’d tank one more year for Lawrence or even Fields). But with the choices of Tua, Herbert or Love? Give me Tua all day. We have put out so much smoke saying we don’t want him it’s obvious we really really do and it even seems like it’s worked a bit. I am happy with him at 5, really hope we don’t trade up for him with as many holes as we have and if he’s gone before 5, I hope we don’t take another one of the QBs and instead go BPA.
Agree with this
I feel like the tank next year and get Lawrence/Fields crowd doesn't really understand the probabilities involved in that. It's not like you can just decide you want a top 3 pick next year. There's a shit ton of variables and randomness involved. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say probably more teams than just us will want Lawrence or Fields.
Not saying you have to do that but I'm not for wasting a pick in the 1st round on a guy (Love/Herbert) who might have as much of a chance as hitting as someone you can get in a later round (Fromm, Eason, Hurts).
Yeah I'm with you there. I don't want anyone but Tua or Burrow in the first round. And IMO there's no excuse to not end up with one of those two.
My biggest issue with Fromm is I see him being someone who isn't gonna get you over the hump but good enough that it's hard to get rid of him.
He already burned Georgia once by being just good enough for them to let a true game changer slip through their fingers.
I get it that we are armed with 2 1’s next year but do u know how bad u have to be to get 1? There are a good amount of worse teams than us for next draft
shit this roster was put together to lose and we still couldn’t
I have three words for everyone to almost
guarantee we are in a position be able to get Lawrence or Fields next year: Start Josh Rosen. (which is what we should have done this past year anyway)
I get it’s not going to be easy to be in the spot to be that high after the overhaul we’ve made this off-season, but let me have my dream for just a few more days before it gets taken away.
flores isn’t built that way
if he didn’t do it with this shit roster he won’t do it with a better one
At the beginning of the season the noise was Ross could take a shitty season, so long as it was one. Ross wants us to compete for the playoffs this year based off of what he said this past offseason. We’re not tanking a second season. We will take the QB who is 1 on our board and not named burrow. I fully believe this team is ready to give up multiple firsts if it has to in order to get its QB. Now which QB that is? Man I hope it’s Tua
I’d be interested to see where you guys stand on picks were actually going to take v. Trade. If the over/under on picks taken is 10.5, where do you guys come in?
Hard to say an exact number but I think we have 14 picks now and I feel sure we won't want to use all 14. Id say probably 10, so under
I'd try and use a couple of those 5ths to move up in the 3rd or 4th that's a lot of picks I've
I’d come in under as well. Think we will use some to move up, and also attempt to add more for
If the dolphins walk out of the draft with Tua and one of the top OT’s I will be thrilled.
After listening to 15 mins of the 3YPC podcast I feel much more confident it’ll be Tua and not Herbert
Hate this fuck but my god if this happened
OL will be an even bigger priority if we get Tua
I realize this big injury was mostly a fluke but I still believe he’s rather frail
Every single one of his columns should start this way..
I really hate how he
And JFC all those ads
Lot of buzz on the interwebs this morning that Tua will be the pick if he's there at 5.
cant be Hoosier told us 100% Herbert would be the pick
Because that's what I felt a week or two (and still feel like it may happen) but it's 48 hours before the draft and I tend to believe that buzz this close is more fact that smokescreen.
Same buzz (Herald and Three Yards per Carry guys) is also saying that Phins won't trade up for Tua or fight opposing teams for jumping them. Plan is to go top OL over Herbert at 5 if Tua is off the board and hope Love is there at 18 or trade back up to get him.
basically what you are saying is you jumped the gun and acted like a negative whiny bitch
Because that wouldn't have been a Dolphins thing to do and all the momentum was pointing Herbert's way a week ago?
you are the same guy who says not to listen to this bullshit and that it’s all smoke
and then u hear some bullshit you don’t like and decide to jump all in with it as fact
The Herald is dying. They are desperate for any revenue they can get.
I'm not going to lie and say Tua's injuries don't concern me a little, but I don't know why Tua's injuries are the narrative about him as a prospect while Herbert has broken a collarbone and a femur on separate occasions and you'd never know it by listening to the "Tua is too risky" crowd.
I haven’t even gotten that far with herbert’s durability concerns as I think he isn’t good and stop right there
Grier was part of the power structure that selected Tannehill because of optics (arm strength, prototypical size, etc.). That's why I said that I could see Herbert being the selection.
The noise for Tannehill truly started in the days and hours leading up to the draft, which aligns to my comments about not paying attention to rumors before then.
no you said he will “100%” be the pick
don’t downplay your bullshit now
Just because I'm a nerd who likes PFF, I thought I'd share with you a few of the OL that they graded well since that's our biggest need outside of QB. Well, I should say that these guys are ranked higher on there than I've seen in mocks etc (so "good bargains"). I didn't really look at anyone they have ranked past 100th overall. I might do that once we get to day 3 of the draft or so. I don't really know shit about evaluating football film, I just look at these grades. Not perfect but give you an analytics based guide. I didn't ranked guys will Wills and Wirfs who won't be there with our second pick.
Josh Jones- Houston (14 overall on their big board)
Ezra Cleveland- Boise St (69- though he's now getting late first round buzz)
Matt Peart- UCONN (98- more of a RT probably but his grading was impressive. Could be a nice find in 3rd rd)
Natane Muti (32)- Fresno St- great film apparently but lots of injury concerns. Mainly ranked on potential
Jonah Jackson (38)- Ohio St- his grades seemed pretty meh, I was a little puzzled why he was ranked so high but oh well
Damien Lewis (64) LSU - Might prefer him to Jackson. Pretty solid player
Logan Steinberg (94) Kentucky- pretty meh, but apparently has a really mean streak and is pretty much an asshole
Tyler Bidasz (73)- his grades weren't that impressive either. Sucks at pass pro. I wonder if he wasn't a Wisc OL, where he would be ranked
Nick Harris (80)- Washington- I like him a little more than Bidasz tbqh but this is a pretty weak C draft.
They graded Austin Jackson and Becton significantly lower than they will go in this draft. I guess you're drafting those two on "upside", but seems like they think there is a pretty significant bust potential with those two.
Steinberg is very solid, that UK OL has dominated our DL the last 2 years with 3-4 guys who will be draft picks
bidasz had a great year 2 years ago but apparently fell off a cliff this year, apparently he had an injury that likely contributed
Can I sign anyone up for a day 3 pick for OJ Howard?
I'm down for that.
offer them a 4th which they gave away to get gronk
Jags or cardinals
here we go
Tua and elite OT to open would largely make this whole draft feel like a success
Tua got the ritis?
Doubtful. I'd be surprised if all 32 teams havent passed him on a physical to be honest. Just haven't heard anything solid about there being lingering issues and you definitely would have if that was the case.
Piece nfl network wrote on him yesterday said the doctor that did the operation didn’t think he’d have arthritic issues with the way he recovered FWIW.
With a little over 30 hours to go time, I think I’m prepared to say I will be #madonline if we don’t get Tua, but I’ll be buying new dolphins shit if we do. I feel good about this decision.