***Official Miami Dolphins Thread pt 2 - In search of NFL Level WRs*** Also bye Chan

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  1. LeonardWashington

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    5 years 85 mil for Vernon with 52 guaranteed good god. Way too steep. I guess I'm glad we stayed off and got Mario for half the price of Vernon
     
  2. Jack Parkman

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    yeah we couldn't compete with that, glad we were atleast able to get a pick back
     
  3. LeonardWashington

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    The safety we signed is a good get, though don't know why we need another box safety. Started the last 6 games or so for the Lions and had the highest PFF grade over that time. Limited sample size but encouraging and not too expensive
     
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  5. LeonardWashington

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    Jesus Vernon got more guaranteed money than Watt
     
  6. Jack Parkman

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    yeah I like OV but not even close to that much. Even if we had the intentions to resign him theres no way we could afford to match that offer

    surprisingly I am satisfied with how we handled it and rescinding the tag
     
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  7. LeonardWashington

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    Totally agree
     
  8. Sterling A

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    that extra 3rd round pick next year is gonna be sweet when we couldnt sign him anyways
     
  9. Flintheart Glomgold

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    It's all up front. Good we took the tag off to get the pick back, but still feel like we could have gotten something done before he hit the free market if we would have bent a bit. Bidding war is what drove his number up this high

    Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing 38s38 seconds ago
    Vernon money: 2016: $29m. 2017: $12m. 2018: $13m. First 3 years: $54m. Most in history for a DE.

    EDIT: I definitely do not think he is worth what Giants are paying him, and glad we aren't the team handing out those deals this year. We aren't a contender this year, and likely wont be next year however. Can;t feel good about getting VALUE with Mario Williams when he likely wont be on the roster when this team can actually compete. Same with wake, same with Grimes. gladly would have chopped all 3 for $16m to front load a new OV deal.
     
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  10. CF3234

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    should get another 3rd or 4th from losing lamar as well
     
  11. Flintheart Glomgold

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  12. Jack Parkman

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    Latest mock post eagles trade still has us taking VH3 at 13 too
     
  13. Ranch Wilder

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    Adam Jones > Amukamara?
     
  14. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Also still has giants taking a DE.
     
  15. Jigga

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    No way we make that trade, sign 2 cbs and then draft one
     
  16. Jigga

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    Maybe trade down and get a G late in the first?
     
  17. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I swear to God I will fucking gut you
     
  18. Jigga

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    Ok. Let's just say this happens
    Add Maxwell, jones, prince

    Where do you go at 13?

    Wr? Eh
    Maybe a DE?
    Take a risk on the LB from ND?
     
  19. Jack Parkman

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    Who is the second CB we are signing?

    It seems like it'll be one of pac man and prince not both
     
  20. Jigga

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    I took that as both but I'm probably wrong
     
  21. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I have a terrible feeling they want Elliot. If we were still at eight we could've also had a shot at Jack don't think he's there and 13. That's the shitty thing about moving back to 13, most of the elite Tier players will be gone
     
  22. Jigga

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    Exactly my point. Trade back. Fill another weakness and hope to get another pick
     
  23. Tobias

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    we'll probably take lawson just bc i doubt we resign jpp next year

    also pacman back to cincy good work as always sterling
     
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  25. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Would be nice to get ELITE players to fill some of those needs. Getting an extra pick that turns into another jamar Taylor, Dallas Thomas, John jerry, billy turner, etc. is a very real possibility too with that strategy
     
  26. George Costanza

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    Pacman back to Cincy lol
     
  27. Jack Parkman

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    Lol at uncle luke and that other dipshit Sterling A
     
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  28. Yanks711

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    Will lol if they take Treadwell, although a Parker/Juice/Quon trio could be legit as fuck.
     
  29. three stacks

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    apologize to these nuts, dildo
     
  30. Sterling A

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    Lol hope we get prince at least
     
  31. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Derrick Shelby to Atl
     
  32. Jack Parkman

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    Source says Patriots are "optimistic" that they can get a deal done with WR Rishard Matthews. Don't know if there's any connection to Sanu
     
  33. CF3234

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    Rishard going to torch the fins for years
     
  34. Yanks711

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    feel like the Vernon deal played out exactly like the dude off of Ballers except he didn't stay
     
  35. Ranch Wilder

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    gonna make the pro bowl next year
     
  36. Ranch Wilder

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    Matthews to Ten. Thank the lord. Also Sam Young signed to take the Jason Fox role
     
  37. Jack Parkman

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    Still remember his recruitment

    What a bust he ended up being in college but still hanging around in the NFL
     
  38. CF3234

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    Yea. He was expected to be all world coming out of HS. Marcus Gilbert was the one who wasn't expected to do much of the 3 STA OL from that class and he's had the best career by far.

    Fun Marcus Gilbert story. He was fucking a girl in the lockeroom and broke through the dry wall. Side note, that girl ended up a lesbian.
     
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  39. Sterling A

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    Peter Schrager ‏@PSchrags 5m5 minutes ago
    Man to watch today is DE Robert Ayers. Planned to do a little mini tour of the Sunshine State. Bucs first, then Dolphins.


    Dolphins must consider new draft landscape at No. 13

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    Miami will have to consider lower-graded prospects. Here is a batch of new players to consider for Miami at No. 13:

    Player: RB Ezekiel Elliott

    School: Ohio State

    Analysis: I am usually against taking a running back at No. 8 overall. But I am much more open to the idea with a pick in the teens. Elliott is a good back with proven production. The Dolphins also have a big opening as former starter Lamar Miller left to the Houston Texans in free agency. Elliott is NFL-ready and could provide a boost in new head coach Adam Gase’s offense.

    Player: LB Reggie Ragland

    School: Alabama

    Analysis: The Dolphins acquired Alonso to play middle linebacker. That is Ragland’s position, so this isn’t an ideal fit. But Ragland said at the Senior Bowl that a lot of teams are looking at him to play outside. Maybe the Dolphins are one of those teams. Ragland is arguably the best run-stopping linebacker in the draft, and Miami needs that. The team was ranked No. 28 against the run last season.

    Player: CB Eli Apple

    School: Ohio State

    Analysis: Hargreaves is out at No. 13, but the Dolphins still need cover corners. Maxwell will start on one side. There is a spot open opposite Maxwell after Miami cut Pro Bowler Brent Grimes on Wednesday. Apple is not as good as Hargreaves but has potential to fill a starting or nickel role as a rookie.
     
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  40. Ranch Wilder

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    Not a fan of taking an RB in round 1, but unless Hargreaves falls, I think we should take Elliott.
     
  41. CF3234

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    Fuck that. Nothing about Elliot screams generational talent. Reminds me of a poor mans's chris Johnson
     
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  43. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Let’s not sugarcoat here: Free agency, still in its early stages, has gone terribly for the Dolphins. Not catastrophically terrible, but terrible enough to feed into the negativity and cynicism that swirls around this franchise.

    A quick recap:

    ### Miami coveted Adam “Pacman” Jones to shore up major deficiencies at cornerback. Instead, he re-signed with Cincinnati on the day the Dolphins cut Brent Grimes, who’s declining but was still the best Miami had to offer at the position.

    In his place: Byron Maxwell, who apparently barely passed a physical, and allowed quarterbacks to post a 100 passer rating in his coverage area last season, albeit in a defense that didn’t suit him.

    ### The Dolphins had serious conversations with Alex Boone, hoping to land a 28-year-old who would have been a huge upgrade at guard.

    They lost out on Boone, who joined the Vikings, and with the soaring price of quality guards more suitable to Bloomingdales than Target, Miami also failed to reel in any of the other top guards in free agency (Keleche Osemele, Jeff Allen, Brandon Brooks and Ramon Foster) or more-than-serviceable JR Sweezy and Michael Harris.

    ### The Dolphins badly wanted William Hayes to be their run-stuffing end opposite Mario Williams, which would have allowed Cameron Wake to move into a pass rush specialist role. But Hayes opted to stay with the Rams, even though Miami “tried very hard” to snag Hayes and made a “strong offer,” according to a source very close to the player.

    ### The Dolphins lost perhaps the two best players they’ve ever had from the hometown Canes, with the Giants and Texans snagging in-their-prime Olivier Vernon and Lamar Miller with contracts far beyond what Miami was willing to pay.

    Were the Dolphins correct not to match the eye-popping $17 million annual salary for Vernon and $6.5 million for Miller? Perhaps. Vernon's contract, in particular, would have been tough to stomach, and combined with Ndamukong Suh's, would have severely limited Miami's flexibility.

    But it doesn’t lessen the sting of losing two of your 12 best players.

    The Dolphins were interested in Matt Forte as a replacement for Miller, but he joined the rivals Jets.

    ### The Dolphins very much liked safety George Iloka, but couldn’t match the Bengals’ offer and instead settled for Isa Abdul-Quddus, a backup for most of his five year career, a player who hasn’t picked off a pass since Obama’s first term.

    ### This wasn’t a surprise, but Rishard Matthews agreed to terms with Tennessee, meaning the Dolphins lost three-in-their-prime 2012 draft picks in six hours, which is really hard to do.

    Look, as someone who grew up a Dolphins fan, I don’t want to be negative. But the Dolphins keep making it so hard, so very hard, to feel optimistic, and after one day of free agency, they still have more needs than they can capably fill.

    In better news, at least the Dolphins upgraded at linebacker with Kiko Alonso – provided he doesn’t keep injuring his knee -- and Quddus played competently as a late-season starter in Detroit.

    And yes, Mario Williams will help, presuming he’s closer to the player who starred at defensive end for so many years instead of the one who disappeared (19 tackles all season) as an out-of-position 3-4 outside linebacker for Buffalo in 2015.

    And the Dolphins did add a new backup offensive tackle, St. Thomas Aquinas and Notre Dame grad Sam Young, who started nine games combined for Jacksonville over the past two years. Young, who will make $910,000, has played seven years in the league; his other four starts were for Buffalo in 2012.

    And curiously, despite adding Young, the Dolphins will host veteran starting left tackle Jermon Bushrod on a visit this week, reports CBS' Jason La Canfora.

    Bushrod, 31, started six consecutive years (four with the Saints, two with Chicago), before starting only four games in Chicago last year. The Bears released him in February. Bushrod, who had shoulder and back problems last year, is also visiting Minnesota, per La Canfora.

    A look at remaining options (as of this posting) at several positions:

    ### Guard: The top six --- and eight of ESPN’s 12 highest-rated free agent guards --- are off the board. At least two of those four others who are still available --- Geoff Schwartz and Louis Vasquez --- are definitely possibilities here. Adam Gase likes Vasquez's skills from their time in Denver, and Schwartz has expressed strong interest in the Dolphins if Miami makes a legitimate offer.

    The other top 12 guards (per Bill Polian’s list) that are still available: Manny Ramirez (who’s 33) and Mike McGlynn (who was a backup in New Orleans last season). Zane Beadles, who disappointed in Jacksonville, is also available, as are Jahri Evans and Chris Chester.

    The Dolphins would have loved to add one of the high-end guards but simply got priced out of the market. They didn’t want to pay the $26.5 million over four years that Minnesota gave Boone, and certainly didn’t expect Sweezy to command $6.5 million per year (from Tampa Bay).

    ### Running back: In their search to replace Lamar Miller, Dolphins options include two Broncos that played for Gase (Ronnie Hillman and restricted free agent C.J. Anderson, who has a low tender), Alfred Morris, Bilal Powell, LeGarrette Blount, Lance Dunbar, Pierre Thomas, Stevan Ridley, Arian Foster, and James Starks.

    The Dolphins already have shown interest in Anderson, and there has been discussion internally about Morris, an FAU grad who would welcome a return to South Florida.

    Jacksonville-bound Chris Ivory (who interested the Dolphins), Doug Martin (staying in Tampa) and Forte are off the board.

    ### Defensive end: Losing out on Hayes was a major blow, and the Dolphins made no serious attempt to keep Atlanta-bound Derrick Shelby.

    The Dolphins need a skilled run-stuffer who can share snaps with Cam Wake (and give Williams a breather), and the options are diminishing.

    Top defensive ends still available: Robert Ayers, Chris Long, Jeremy Mincey, Wallace Gilberry, Kroy Biermann, Henry Melton, B.J. Raji, Cam Thomas, Mike DeVito, Antonio Smith, Jason Jones, Kendall Reyes and George Selvie.

    [Thursday morning update: Ayers will be visiting the Dolphins.]

    ### Cornerback: The Dolphins badly need to add a quality veteran to start opposite Maxwell and also could use an experienced slot corner to play ahead of (or compete with) Bobby McCain.

    Best veterans still available: Casey Heyward, Prince Amukamara (has been linked to Miami), Patrick Robinson (Dolphins have inquired), Sean Smith, Antonio Cromartie, Jerraud Powers, Nolan Carroll, Greg Toler and Morris Claiborne.
     
  44. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I also don't want Elliot. Think he is a good player, but I don't think he's that much better than Prosise or Collins, and they would be available outside of the first. Fuck Ragland too. That dude is fast enough to play Mike in a 4-3. He is a heavier Channing Crowder
     
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  45. danny2430

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    Further proof that you are a fucking idiot
     
  46. Ranch Wilder

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    Assuming we sign a CB to play opposite Maxwell, I really think Shaq Lawson would be a great selection
     
  47. three stacks

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    how so? he runs nothing like him
     
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  48. Flintheart Glomgold

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    They want a DE to play the run, That's not lawson. I guess barring someone unexpected falling I'd Say Darron Lee and Apple would be the move. I don't know if they would draft a DT, but Robinson and Rankins are a great in that spot
     
  49. Flintheart Glomgold

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    I don't know if I'd compare him to chris johnson other than his weapon is speed. Bigger issue to me (for Dolphins) other than the value of taking him in the 1st, is he's really more of a fit for a zone scheme. Can't say for certain that we won't do that under gase, but his history is a power run game, and I don't think that's elliot's game. It's also probably why we didn't go after Miller harder.