***Official Miami Dolphins Thread pt 2 - Welcome to mediocrity***

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  1. LeonardWashington

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    Pay both but I’m ok with making X do it again. Feel like we have little to lose. Gonna be expensive af either way
     
  2. Jigga

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    Why does every mock draft I see feel like it has us taking Murray
     
  3. Jack Parkman

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    Allow me share the names of players coaches and personnel people have made no secret about either having a future with the Dolphins or having a chance to stay if contract details can be sorted:

    Jerome Baker.

    Raekwon McMillan.

    Kiko Alonso.


    Laremy Tunsil.

    Ja’Wuan James.

    Minkah Fitzpatrick.

    Xavien Howard.

    Bobby McCain.


    Durham Smythe.

    Mike Gesicki.

    Kenyan Drake.

    Kalen Ballage.

    Albert Wilson.

    Jakeem Grant.

    James, by the way, is a free agent who will have the option of going to another team once free agency begins in March unless the Dolphins blow his agents away with a huge offer beforehand — which isn’t likely. So his Miami future isn’t nearly certain.

    And yet, coaches and others have said they would like James on the team in 2019. Offensive line coach Pat Flaherty, for example, is aware James is not signed for 2019, but already knows he would like him back.

    “I think it keeps the continuity there, if we’re able to retain him,” Flaherty said. “We sure hope he does [stay]. He’s a good football player. I’ve had an opportunity to go back and watch every game from 2018. He’s a fairly young guy also, so he has some things technique-wise that he can get better.”

    Dolphins people have even talked about players most fans are not necessarily familiar with or excited about — like recently signed quarterback Jake Rudock — as a player who will get a chance in the offseason and training camp.

    “He’s attentive. He’s very detailed, works hard,” said tight end coach George Godsey, who was the quarterback coach in Detroit last season when Rudock was in his second year with that team.

    “He’s going to be a good asset to bring in here. He’s competitive, so he’ll go out there and earn it on the field. He’s from down here, too, so that probably helps. He knows the location. He’s a hard worker. I’m really anxious to see him again down here after last season. There’s a lot warmer weather down here than up in Detroit.”

    So this offers some insight on the future. But you know what players the Dolphins haven’t said have a future with the team?

    Pretty important players, such as starting quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

    Some young players, such as DeVante Parker.

    Some accomplished older players such as Cameron Wake, Josh Sitton and Robert Quinn.

    And to be fair, just because a player has not been mentioned by the new staff, or newly empowered general manger Chris Grier, does not a 100 percent guarantee that player is no longer in the plans.

    But we are in late February. The coaching staff has been in place for nearly three weeks and all have spoken to reporters. And head coach Brian Flores had a news conference. And Grier spoke at the end of the season and at the Flores introductory presser.

    And no mention of the starting quarterback’s future?

    No mention of the team’s best edge rusher the past decade?

    No mention of the 2015 first-round draft pick?

    If that seems odd, this might explain the approach: We have seen this kind of stuff before. There truly is nothing new under the sun.

    The Dolphins have changed coaching staffs and general managers and, well, almost everything, a lot of times since Don Shula ended his 26-year run in 1996.

    And each time, the lack of mention or — even neutral mentions — by incoming coaches and general managers have been a harbinger for players getting cut or traded or simply going unsigned by the team.

    “If a player’s name isn’t on a coach’s lips, he’s likely not in the coach’s plans,” a longtime club source said recently.

    Jimmy Johnson, for example, talked enthusiastically about Dan Marino in his opening days as head coach. And Marino remained Miami’s starting quarterback after Shula.

    But successor Dave Wannstedt never mustered any enthusiasm whatever about the future Hall of Fame quarterback.

    “Ah, you know what, I ... yeah, I mean, Dan had a tough year because some injuries and so forth,” Wannstedt said. “Dan and I will talk. What his plans are for the future, I don’t know. We’ll hold off on the Dan thing.”

    Wannstedt declined multiple times to say whether he wanted Marino back.

    Because he didn’t.

    You know how many times Cam Cameron was asked if Daunte Culpepper was in his plans? Multiple dozens. He often commended reporters for asking and then refused to give a straight answer.

    Because Culpepper wasn’t in his plans.

    When Bill Parcells, Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland came aboard in 2008, they weren’t expansive about Trent Green or Zach Thomas.

    And both were soon gone.

    When Joe Philbin was hired in 2012, the Dolphins had a wide receiver who had caught 81 passes for 1,214 yards and six touchdowns. He had just set a Pro Bowl record by scoring four touchdowns on six catches for 176 yards.

    But Brandon Marshall’s name was not prominently mentioned by Philbin or even Ireland, who had traded for him in 2010. And Marshall was traded a month later to the Chicago Bears.

    This approach is not new, folks.

    And so the lack of message for bringing Tannehill or Wake or others back is of itself a message.

    General manager Grier said weeks ago the quarterback is on the team, “as of right now,” which makes no promises about two minutes from now.


    Offensive coordinator Chad O’Shea said he has “a tremendous amount of respect for Ryan.” But O’Shea didn’t want to talk about Tannehill’s future and didn’t even want to talk about what he thinks of Tannehill’s ability.

    “I don’t want to get into specific traits, weaknesses or strengths,” O’Shea said.

    O’Shea did, however, mention specific traits he would like in a fictional Dolphins quarterback, “whoever that is,” he said, again not mentioning Tannehill.


    Consider this: The Dolphins coaching staff has discussed working with Rudock, who was signed in January, but has declined to have a similar discussion about Tannehill, who has been on the team since 2012.

    That non-message is indeed a message.

    Armando
     
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    Unless he blows up after the combine it looks like Ed Oliver is going to be available in the 10-15 range

     
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  7. Sterling A

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    :golfclap:
    now trade Tanny to the redskins, even if its for nothing, trade reshad jones and this will be big step in the right direction
     
  8. Wu

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    We better get good value for Reshad
     
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  10. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Ed Oliver and Ferrell very different players. Don’t think Oliver fits the scheme if they’re looking for “classic patriots defenders”. Also, hope we can move back and stockpile picks if we aren’t taking a QB
     
  11. Jack Parkman

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    With us hiring the Clemson DL coach id imagine it’s a high probability it’ll be one of the Clemson guys if we go DL in round one
     
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  13. Sterling A

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    And will probably spend 62 million of it :facepalm:
     
  14. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Probably a little trade value from tanner and Parker. I imagine most of the money saved here is going toward resigning Howard and James? Don’t think we will be big players in FA
     
  15. Wu

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    Parker should have zero trade value. If we get anything for him it will be a steal.
     
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  17. danny2430

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    That’s almost singularly due to Suh as well
     
  18. Jack Parkman

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    Ed Oliver
    Jonah Williams
    Clelin Ferrell
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    1 of those 4 right now And I’m happy
     
  19. FSUnole1988

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    Didn’t sweat tear his acl?
     
  20. Jack Parkman

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    Thinking of Jeffrey Simmons
     
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    including releasing him
     
  23. Jack Parkman

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  26. Wu

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    FYI I want to increase demand and value
     
  27. Jack Parkman

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  31. LeonardWashington

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    Now that Murray's measurements came it at bigger than everyone thought, I am more comfortable with him. I think at ~210 he could plausibly stay healthy. I would much prefer Tua, but I would be OK if we took him but only if he fell.

    I really do think he will end up going #1, or top 3-5, so he won't likely be an option for us, but :justsayin:

    Still would prefer us to trade back, stockpile some picks and tank.
     
  32. Jigga

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    Tank for Tua

    Lose for Lawrence

    Get talent elsewhere for the time being
     
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  33. LeonardWashington

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    Agree. I somewhat feel that way about Flowers too...

    but then again he's young, at a position of great need, and although he's expensive, and it's a rare case where we really have inside knowledge of what kind of player and person he is on our staff. Might be worth it... but I have a hard time thinking we will lock up huge deals with James, X, and then Flowers all at the same time. We will be locking him up through his prime though, probably getting rid of him around 30, 31.
     
  34. Jigga

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    I mean, it’s literally the Dolphins way
     
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  35. tylerdolphin

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    I'm down with a modest trade up for Murray, but not all the way to 3 or anything. I'll be shocked if he's not the first QB off the board. Not interested in any other QB in round 1. Ed Oiver seems too good to be true at 13 so I'm all about that if he falls and Murray is off the board.
     
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  36. tylerdolphin

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    I'm fine with landing Flowers. I think most people are overestimating how long it will take to be competitive again assuming this staff is competent. The way the NFL is set up, it's not uncommon to turn an organization around in less than 3 years with the right people in place. That's also why I'm against trading X. I see no reason this team can't be in the playoffs during his prime.
     
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  37. LeonardWashington

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    If we could trade back and land Jeffery Simmons who may slide bc of an ACL injury.... :smugdog:

    I feel we have a lot of needs and the talent this draft luckily seems to line up with them so I think there should be a lot of talent available at DL/DE especially in the mid to late first. Maybe guys that would normally be top 10 type picks falling simply due to position depth in this draft.

    Interior OL is the one place where idk that this draft has a bunch talent but you can't have it all. For the love of god get me a competent OG... I am so tired of having this be an issue every March
     
  38. Jack Parkman

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    Murray is going top 3

    And a rebuilding team like us doesn’t need to give up top picks to move up
     
  39. Jack Parkman

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    Did we end up making the right move letting him and miller walk for big deals?

     
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    Warming up to the freak at #13




     
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  43. Jigga

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    He won’t be there at 13
     
  44. Jack Parkman

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    Would mean someone like burns drops to us then
     
  45. tylerdolphin

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    Eh, not real big on burns at 13 honestly. My favorite realistic targets in no particular order:
    Murray
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    I want Josh Allen more than anyone this draft, Bosa included. But seems like everyone is catching on to how ridiculous he is. He won't get out the top 5 now.
     
  46. Jack Parkman

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    Let me ask...is it because he played for FSU? I really liked Burns going into last year but obviously everything involved with FSU was a dumpster fire this year so it could leave a bad taste in everybody’s mouth
     
  47. tylerdolphin

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    I don't know. Could be a bias based on hate for FSU plus how poorly the whole team played. I certainly dont claim to have watched Burns intensely this year, so maybe I'm off. I just didn't get the impression when I watched FSU that he was a high first round impact guy. But yeah, it could be a lazy opinion on my part.
     
  48. NothingIsOT

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    As a FSU fan, I wouldn’t want him in the first round.

    He’s a nice pass rush specialist, but I question his weight. He also gambles on the pass rush and will give on the run at times.

    I don’t question his heart though. He certainly gives it his all. One of the few on the team last year that did.

    I also wasn’t high on Jalen Ramsey (thought he was a better safety than corner) so I can be wrong on my guys too.
     
  49. Wu

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    Our pass rush draft picks are spinal tap drummers
     
  50. Jack Parkman

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