Official Middle East/ISIS thread: Tehran up another part of the Middle East

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  1. bwi2

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    Hamas is the governing authority in Gaza.
     
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  2. CaneKnight

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    Last time I checked Hamas isn’t the one rolling into Palestinian places of worship, murdering and beating people half to death so why would they expel the only group willing to fight the people who do that to them?

    Since this apparently needs to be posted here. The late great mike brooks on isreal

     
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    That's completely unacceptable for Biden to pass off misinformation. That's inexcusable
     
  4. dblplay1212

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    I'm far from an expert and may be way off base here, but I think us saying to Israel "Hey our support isn't unwavering. Stop being an asshole or we'll cut you off and let the others destroy you." would go a long way. Maybe not, idk, but we embolden Israel by saying we'll support them no matter how many atrocities they commit.
     
  5. Artoo

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    So many people keep asking "Is what Hamas doing right now helping Palestinians?"

    And the answer is just YES. If an insurrection leads to freedom, everything is worth it.
    No politician in America is willing to do that because there is so much Israeli money invested in our politics to keep it this way.
     
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  7. DuckKin

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    what about the Palestinians right to freedom away from Hamas? Do they not have a history of horrible treatment in Gaza?
    Like how does Hamas handle LGBTQ Palestinians?
     
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  8. dblplay1212

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    I'm not aware of any Muslim group/country that supports lgbtq+ so that's not the best example.
     
  9. Where Eagles Dare

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    tbqh it seems like half of the people are for a peaceful solution while the other half and the fanatical religious sects want to wipe the other out.
     
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  10. Where Eagles Dare

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    Yes
     
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  11. CaneKnight

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    Bro what
     
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  12. Illinihockey

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    hamas took over in what amounted to a coup and then stopped having elections
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Where Eagles Dare

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    They had an election. I'm not sure I'd call that a coup. After the election they won, the forced out the Fatah and stopped having elections.
     
  15. DuckKin

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    Why havent the Palestinians been allowed to vote for a president or government since 2006?
     
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  16. CaneKnight

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    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


    For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

    The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

    Read up buttercup
     
  17. Illinihockey

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    they won a plurality then came in and killed fatah members and drove them out of the country. They won with less than 40% of the vote because fatah ran multiple people in elections.
     
  18. Illinihockey

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    ya this doesn’t surprise me
     
  19. CaneKnight

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    I see the blood thirsty zionist is trying to come for people who disagree with genocide this morning
     
  20. Artoo

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    Peaceful Palestinians got shot in 2018 when they did a peaceful march. Israelis shot them just for being there, like 8000 of them.

    So why would they choose peaceful means again? They see Hamas is making gains through violence, which is apparently all Israelis know, so it's quite easy to see the majority siding with Hamas
     
  21. DuckKin

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    What do you think I would want out of the end of this war?
     
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  23. DuckKin

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    This one?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
     
  24. CaneKnight

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    I don't particular give a shit what you want. This is about the people of Palestine your wants and needs mean dick all to me
     
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  25. Artoo

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    It absolutely was a peace protest, then Israelis started indiscriminately firing tear gas and sniper fire. This instigated the exact reaction the Israelis wanted, which was violence from the protests. This gave them the excuse to kill more Palestinians
     
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  26. DuckKin

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    I posted a wikipedia page to read about and was wondering if it was the correct one. Everything that has been posted here in the past few days I have read.
     
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  27. CaneKnight

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    The Gaza border protests involved them shooting fucking kids, shooting folks in the kneecap. They murdered a fucking journalists. Imagine anyone defending that

    zionists disgust me
     
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  28. Truman

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    Maybe I have the wrong read here, but it seems like DuckKin actually is trying to learn more about the situation and move off preconceived notions. The aggression towards him seems a bit over the top :twocents:
     
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  29. CaneKnight

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    If that’s the case apologies DuckKin Some of us are just tired of seeing all the dehumanization of Palestinians over the past few days
     
  30. Truman

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    I dont interact w him much, but the past few days our convos have been productive imo. He's brought up concerns that IMO are misplaced/western talking points. And when they have been addressed he asks good follow up questions. Goes and reads and comes back with more questions ect. To me it seems like he's coming from a place of good faith
     
  31. DuckKin

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    Thank you, I don’t believe I have ever dehumanized the Palestinians because I don’t dehumanize any group, even if they have governments I disagree with.
     
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  32. Where Eagles Dare

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    Yes.

    That doesn't negate what I said.
     
  33. DuckKin

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    The hardliners in the Isreali government having pictures of terrorist in their houses was a bonkers read.
     
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  34. Illinihockey

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    A military organization coming in and murdering elected officials to take power isn’t a coup?
     
  35. Where Eagles Dare

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    No. Do you know what a coup is? They were in power. They didn't over throw themselves
     
  36. Illinihockey

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    it’s a parliamentary system, do you know how that works?
     
  37. Illinihockey

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    If republicans won 47 senate seats then murdered all of the democratic senators with the us military what would you call that
     
  38. Truman

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    The won an election, couldnt form a government due to low support. Then took over militarily. Maybe not technically a coup by the strictest definition, but idk how else you'd describe it.
     
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  39. Where Eagles Dare

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    Not a coup
     
  40. CaneKnight

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    Are Canadians and Mexicans governments committing acts of genocide daily against Americans????

    Are you seriously trying to compare America to fucking Palestine????

    What the fuck are you even trying to do here :laugh:
     
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  41. Illinihockey

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    How are you not following the conversation, everyone else is. It’s like you’re barely literate
     
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    this hasn’t stopped hawkish morons on my socials talk about it non stop.

    beheaded babies are the new WMDs
     
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  43. Artoo

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    And the new "Iraqis ripped babies out of incubators to murder them"

    And "Gaddafi/Putin is giving troops Viagra to help them rape"

    The propaganda machine runs the same every time
     
  44. CaneKnight

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    I don’t listen to Zionist babble. You’re words don’t carry any weight when the ultimate goal for you is to push some kind of narrative that the Palestinians deserve what’s happening to them.

    you’ve also done this shit before so you're not fooling anyone here you disingenuous asshole

    Your posts are very obviously in bad faith
     
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  45. Truman

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    FWIW - The Jerusalem Post claims to have confirmed the baby photos.
     
  46. Artoo

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    No one is really disputing that there are dismembered babies (disgusting sentence), it's the narrative of deliberate beheading of them to try to paint Hamas as animals and monsters that is bullshit
     
  47. wes tegg

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    In that Brooks video, he references Hamas (not by name) around 3:10. I think it’s a stretch to say that he’d condone this move. Obviously, the scale issue still matters and Israel is clearly a bad actor. But, that can be true and Hamas still have done egregious shit last weekend.
     
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  48. CaneKnight

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    No one is condoning Hamas but to speak on Hamas without speaking on the fact they've been propped up by the Israeli government (KINDA HOW WE PROPPED UP AL QEIDA PROXY WARS FOR US WHICH ALSO BIT US IN THE ASS) isn't giving the full story that all of this was made possible by the Israeli government in order to continue genocidal activity against the Palestinians.

    The Hamas stuff is just another way of trying to justify continued brutalization and murder of the Palestinian people which is why you keep hearing people turn the conversation away from them

    Unless people are going to talk about a full removal of the current Israeli government since once again this is their fault because they propped up Hamas it’s a pointless conversation to even speak on Hamas

    Netanyahu wanted this outcome because if gives those right wing maniacs in the Israeli government what they need to committ mass murder with the backing of powerful western nations

    “see look those brown people are monsters we need to kill them all”

    this isn’t hard folks
     
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  49. Truman

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    Hamas are animals and monsters. Israel's barbaric policies towards Gaza has resulted in that. Attempting to minimize the barbarity in beheading children or suggesting it's just a narrative isnt productive. Discussing the underlying issues that has lead to such behavior is.
     
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