This just isn’t true. They are full scale mentallers with a vile outlook that is entrenched over generations. Same goes from those lunatic Israeli settlers who think the Messiah will come if only they can purge Palestinians from the West Bank.
It isn’t that Israel’s actions results in Hamas existing. It may help membership but there is a very clear line of extremists who wanted to wipe out the Jews.
I haven’t read every single post ITT since the weekend, but I don’t really feel like anyone thinks they didn’t do egregious shit. IMO, it’s more of the narrative/work of the Israel propaganda arm that people ITT are irritated by
never mind the explicit support of hamas and literal isis-level terrorism here, i'd say the hypocrisy of supporting palestinian liberation efforts vis-a-vis hamas terror attacks but criticizing ukraine rebellion efforts because of "nazis" is pathetic. i'd call that level of hypocrisy stunning but, unfortunately, i've read your posts on here before. i urge you to find new sources of information beyond your existing tankie ones where, "actually cutting off childrens' heads is good."
Sure there is some religious fanaticism inherit to Hamas. However their impact would be heavily mitigated if Israel didnt do the things they did. These things dont happen in a vacuum. They are results of circumstances, conditions and decisions made along the way.
I think what you are trying to say is that until Israel stops their annihilation of Palestine, that anything Hamas does shouldn’t be discussed. I think Hamas wants everyone talking about their actions, its almost like it’s purposely done that way.
That was not my point to criticize Muslim communities and their treatment of LGBTQ people. My point was Hamas treatment of people within Gaza. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.
My point is I don't think most people that live in Palestine are pro-LGBTQ+. They may not want Hamas but it's not bc of the LGBTQ+ issue.
This is it for me, 99% of the power in this conflict lies with Israel and its western allies and they are the ones who have the ability to stop this and event attempt to begin working on a resolution in earnest, but I think very few of us are holding our breath waiting for it to happen.
Hamas isn't exactly conducting free and fair elections. Anyone honestly telling Palestinians to "reject" Hamas is unserious, those people have absolutely no power.
I agree and disagree. If you read hamas’ charter it’s an explicitly religious organization. I do agree their popularity would be mitigated in Gaza if the Israeli right wing didn’t torpedo the camp David talks in 2000
A majority of Israelis agree that Netanyahu has to go and a majority have been against his policies even before this disaster. He tried to make himself dictator and the entire country went on strike. He’s got 3 indictments that he’s hiding from and bribed his way back in power to avoid going to trial for bribery/corruption. As you said his indefensible resettlement policies make it impossible to find peace with him in charge. Same goes for Hamas but even if they manage to defeat Hamas, how do we bring peace? I have yet to see a peace solution from any side that looks remotely realistic as even a negotiated starting point but maybe I just haven’t seen it yet. Something like 6500 and climbing Palestinians have died in the last 15 years during these various conflicts. 377,000 have died in the last 10 in the civil war in Yemen including 85,000 children dying of starvation in only a 5 year period but no one cares because it’s not Jews dropping the bombs. Even before this week, you heard far more about palestine than yemen. Palestine needs a real peace solution to ensure it doesn’t become like Yemen. Once Palestine becomes free, the people of the west will stop caring and providing aid. Finding a good solution before then is key.
returning the settlements and giving reparations to Palestinians is the first step to peace. Whether Israel will ever do such a thing remains to be seen. Any "peace talks" without that being a must will amount to nothing
I would not, Im sure the leaders of Hamas probably dont want to give up their power and wealth right now.
The "mistake" that always gets made by the US is ______ act is so heinous that it justifies any response.
Yes, but if a place doesn’t have free elections, how much can we trust the true feeling of the people? If they dont allow you to vote they probably dont allow you to voice negative opinions about them. https://apnews.com/article/gaza-ham...palestinians-306b19228f9dd21f1036386ce3709672 Seems like anti hamas protesters quickly get removed inside Gaza.
That's putting a lot of faith in strangers to keep your answers anonymous where the consequences are dire.
None of that matters though unless someone has an idea of how to peacefully unite the people. What do reparations matter if a military coup comes in and overthrows the new government within 5 years? Do we force western democracy? Do we pick a dictator? Does an Arab country occupy and help with transition to Palestinian rule? The track record of countries that get democracy forced down their throat is quite poor.
We let the Palestinians choose their government. It’s none of our business once the fighting stops and the Palestinians have autonomy over their people and country. It’s literally none of our business the country that elected donald trump has no right to tell other people what to do with their own governments
https://pcpsr.org/en/node/938 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Center_for_Policy_and_Survey_Research
Man you're naive. Do you also have no problem allowing cops to search your car because you have nothing to hide?
What a cool group, trying to figure out how they work in Gaza. If a group in power is okay with you voicing your opinion to anonymous sources, why dont they allow you to vote?
They have cell phones and internet and communications that aren't monitored like the Chinese gov't. I'm sure there are ways.
You can call Carlin's thing 14 words or whatever but it's absolutely true that a proper democracy that legitimately incorporates the Palestinians ends the "Jewish state." That isn't theoretical. The Palestinian birthrate is already equal to that of the Israelis (maybe past that by now? ...can't recall) I'm not suggesting that shouldn't happen, just that the Israelis actually do stand to lose that, as opposed to the nonsense people in this country believe about what happens when the "migrants" "take over."
That’s the thing tho it's not the "Israeli State" it's literally just stolen land my guy. They can't lose what was never theirs in the first place
Found this in their methodology. “In order to encourage respondents to talk freely, we assure them of complete anonymity. Respondents do not give their names and filled questionnaires are filed electronically immediately. It is not possible to trace a specific questionnaire to a certain respondent. All interviews are entered using tablets equipped with GPS and wifi. ”
And you think that the oil-rich dictatorships won’t fight over who is really in control of Palestine? If the saudis for example replace Israel’s role and install a puppet leader, would that be viewed as liberation? And in that scenario, with the bad guy going from Jewish to Arab, western aid will dry up. This situation is a lot more complex and the Palestinian people deserve better than being handed over to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
The problem might be that others think differently and use their long ancient past as proof, which is difficult to work around.
Are you suggesting we should remove the current Saudis leadership from power because I'm in favor that considering the damage they've done to our very own counrty Being cheeky with that comment FWIW We could just ally with and protect Palastine/Isreali state the same way we do the current Isreali government
Always loved this mentality from white folks that think every group would be as shitty as white people have been were they to gain power.