Official Middle East/ISIS thread: Tehran up another part of the Middle East

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  1. THF

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    If you are speaking of the Afghani people, you are probably right. There is a subset of the military who I have seen advocating for those who supported the US to be quickly provided visa's and put on planes out of the area. However, that may not be the overall sentiment of the military leadership.

    However, my original point was really talking about both the Afghanis and the US Citizens which are still in Afghanistan at the moment. There are conf;icting reports but there could be as many as 10,000 American's still on the ground in Afghanistan. Those people should have been told to leave and helped to leave, months before Bagram was abandoned.

     
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    This will be fascinating to follow for the next several decades...

     
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    Did China not have all their agreements with the former Afghan government?
     
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    Good old fashioned proxy war with China in Afghanistan starting in what 2023?
     
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    That article is from 2012. They also mentioned the need for energy/water which they don't have much of at the mines. Maybe that's been fixed in the last decade.
     
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    Can someone explain to me why the military left?
     
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  12. THF

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    Well the Taliban aren't letting those new weapons go to waste....



    Looks like one of the guys is covering the other group with an RPG. God help them if he fires that thing.
     
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    This may be a dumb question, but how can one tell Taliban from non-Taliban? Like they aren't wearing Army fatigues with a Taliban logo on them. How do they know who is on their side and who isn't?
     
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    man there’s like two decades of academic writing on this topic
     
  15. dblplay1212

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    Cliffs?
     
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    there isn’t, which is a war crime, and which has led to a lot of debate over what the appropriate rules of engagement should be/whether the United States has tolerated unacceptable levels of civilian casualties in conducting air strikes
     
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    How do Taliban differentiate from themselves and others? Like bloods and crips where red and blue. Hells Angels where jackets. How does Taliban know Taliban when they run into each other?
     
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  18. THF

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    As an update to this post, looks like it could be much higher than thought.

     
  19. Heavy Mental

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    Implicit in this question is an assumption that the guys in the Taliban view themselves as on a “team”.

    From what I’ve read, in a lot of ways, that’s not the right comparison.

    The area is tribal. Tribal affiliation, regional provenance, and linguistic reasons are the more important markers. It’s this kind of thing that makes everything so hard for us to understand.
     
  20. dblplay1212

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    Sounds like the southeast where you can tell a lot by the hat someone wears.
     
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  21. THF

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    I think in this case, the lines are a bit more blurred and murky.

     
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    So there was a lot less reported activity overnight than I originally expected. However after I while I chalked it up to a lack of interest or attention spans going else where. Either of those might be the case or something could be up.

     
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    That’s a Russian RPG to be fair.
     
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    It’s looking more and more like the airport isn’t as open and secure as the Taliban have claimed.



     
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  27. backinblack23

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    I don’t know why people were thinking the Taliban were going to attack American military forces at the airport. They finally got us to leave and now you think they want to kill a few soldiers only for us to turn right back around and re-engage them and make them flee to the mountains again. They are there to seize the airport as soon as our last plane is gone.
     
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  28. theriner69er

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    Yea, we should trust that nothing bad will happen.

    Also, I just finished reading the fable of the fox and the scorpion. Interesting read.
     
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    That was deep brah
     
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  30. backinblack23

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    Not saying something won’t happen but do honestly think they would launch a large scale attack on us right now? They are getting everything they want. We are leaving their country, they are now in power and in charge of almost the entire country. Yes let’s put that in jeopardy and attack them as they are leaving so we can start this whole thing over again.
     
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  31. THF

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    This is encouraging to see.

     
  32. Illinihockey

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    this is like the kid that sells lemonade so his sister can get a liver transplant. A functioning government wouldn’t need private citizens to be doing something that should already be taken care of
     
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    The entire idea of the fox and the scorpion is that there are animals that will behave in ways that are not in their own best interest, purely because of their nature. Generally, for most animals, that's not the case. That's why the fox trusts the scorpion won't sting him, as it assures both of their imminent deaths, and, logically, the fox presumes the scorpion's self preservation is paramount to the scorpion.

    If history is a guide, the Taliban have a lot more in common with the scorpion than the fox. Maybe they behave and things go.....sa well as can be expected at this point. But will anyone really be shocked if we see a dead American being drug through the streets in the next few days??
     
  34. THF

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    It appears that the Taliban claims of calm and order at the Kabul airport may not be the full story.

     
  35. WhiskeyDelta

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    wasn’t she saying that “Allahu Akbar” meant “death to America” a few days ago?
     
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  37. Patface

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    I know you meant well by this question but I did snort laugh when reading it.

    "What are the differences between a turban bloods wear and a turban crips wear?"
     
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    Yea I knew it made me sound ignorant lol. Just most times there's a battle of some sort you can tell the sides apart. I'm not educated enough differentiate Taliban from non-Taliban.
     
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    Different perspective here.



    Amazing reporting
     
  40. Prospector

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    how many are contractors
     
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  41. backinblack23

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    I agree we don’t trust them but that’s why we still have soldiers there. Also if you know you don’t belong there you need to get the fuck out of dodge, why hang around to make a few extra reports or do a few more deals you think need to be done etc. Anyone that has dealt with these guys knows they don’t play by the same set of rules we do, so why risk it, get the fuck out and don’t look back.
     
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  43. theriner69er

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    Shouldn't we have sort of figured most of that out prior to right now? I agree with not extending the war or our occupation and bringing our guys home, but how was this our exit plan?
     
  44. backinblack23

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    Yes. Our exit plan was shit, but what do expect out of a bunch of old white dudes who have probably never stepped foot into countries like this or seen how organized our military is sometimes. I haven’t really paid that close of attention to what our plan really was but this doesn’t surprise me at all.
     
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    The Generals are probably a bunch of old white dudes as well tbf!
     
  46. theriner69er

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    I guess I expect them to listen to the people around them with the kind of experience they don't have. I don't think Joe Biden is a military expert, or an expert on vaccines, or the economy, etc., But leaders don't have to be experts in everything (or anything, really), they simply have to put people who are in positions of trust.

    What's surprising to me is that this administration touts itself as empathetic and kind and caring. Immigrants, refugees, kids in cages; this is the administration, the party, the guy who actually cares enough to do something about those things. Then we see this?? The human rights disaster playing out in what seemed to be a day or two? We are now seeing the inevitable videos of women being abused, translators who worked with the US being beaten, the Taliban firing into crowds of protestors, mothers passing babies over barbed wire fences at the airport hoping to get them out of the country. The contrast between what this administration says it is, and what we are actually seeing is stark.

     
  47. theriner69er

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    The political tide appears to be turning against Biden. The front page of CNN yesterday was void of anything critical. Today it's:
    Biden struggling under intensifying scrutiny
    President not adequately explaining what went wrong, no longer gets credit for simply not being Trump
    World leaders questioning Biden's withdrawal
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  48. Illinihockey

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    itll be out of the news by this time next week
     
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