Official Middle East/ISIS thread: Tehran up another part of the Middle East

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  1. Capstone 88

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    I’ve got a very strong suspicion your “news” is extremely biased. You come on here with this “I’m just asking questions” skeptical persona, but yet you take these not-super-reputable news sources as gospel without even fact checking. The trope is tiresome.
     
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  2. Illinihockey

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    Those literally could be 20 year old vehicles. If I was only moving across the country I wouldn’t ship my 20 year old car.
     
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  3. theriner69er

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    I'm not asking questions. I'm saying it's dumb to leave $800M in equipment behind. Is American Humane not super reputable? You are assuming they are not because it fits your current argument, right? You really have no clue who they are or what they do...correct?
     
  4. Parab00n

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    Its common practice to destroy equipment in country especially if time is limited. Getting that many C17s/C5s in there to get that equipment out would be far too risky, plus the trained personnel to come back in the AO to disassemble it and get it loaded correctly.
     
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  5. theriner69er

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    I'd think we could have been a little better with time management. Get some of that equipment out before we started loading cargo planes full of people maybe, when we had control of the country?
     
  6. LetItSoak

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    How many people should we have left behind in order to ship the military equipment? If they see us shipping that equipment, how much more quickly does the ANA fold?
     
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  7. theriner69er

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    Seems like we shouldn't have left any people or valuable military equipment behind. I'm open to the idea that it was more cost-effective or a better strategy to just destroy $800M worth of equipment. My suspicion is we planned on taking more people and equipment, but were unable to due to the clusterfuck that the exit strategy turned into.
     
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  8. LetItSoak

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    And you know we could have done both how? What do you know that the people on the ground did not?
     
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  9. Parab00n

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    We could have did a lot of things better, like not going to Afghanistan or Iraq at all. I spent 20 years of my life in & out of those places and in the end it was a waste of time, money, and lives.
     
  10. theriner69er

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    very very very generally speaking, the answer to your question is better planning. I'm quite sure I don't know anything more than the people on the ground, but believe the people on the ground and I would be in agreement that what happened was a complete fucking disaster that should have been handled better.
     
  11. LetItSoak

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    So you don't have a clue, you're just talking out of your ass? Shocking. It's like when my grandma asks why they don't just hit a homerun every time when we watch baseball
     
  12. theriner69er

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    I don't disagree, and I was opposed to the occupation from the beginning. And thought we should have left years ago. But that doesn't mean we just say fuck it the last week we are there, then fall back on "welp we could have done a lot of things better" excuse. It's still in our best interest to do the best we can to save lives and resources, if possible.
     
  13. 40wwttamgib

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    maybe they should have invited the taliban to camp david like the brainiacs from the last administration
     
  14. theriner69er

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    Yea, you need to be a Michelin star chef to know if food doesn't taste good.....
     
  15. LetItSoak

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    That implies you have detailed knowledge of what a good evacuation for a losing military looks like which, of course, you don't. I do appreciate how not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground never stops you from having a strong opinion on a subject. "Having executed many flawless exits from multi-decade wars myself, i can say with confidence this should have been handled differently..."
     
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  16. Illinihockey

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    I’m sure they did no cost benefit analysis before leaving stuff behind
     
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  17. AptosDuck

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    Jesusfuck, are we really doing this again?
     
  18. theriner69er

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    No, it implies that I know what a fucking disaster looks like.

    I want you to remember this when you complain that your QB missed a wide open WR this year. Hey, fuckface, how many years of D1 QB experience do you have?
    Or when your coach takes out the RB you think should be playing. Hey, everyone listen to the guy at home on his couch, he knows more than the coaches!

    I'm sure you ONLY share opinions about things you are literally an expert in? Right? GTFO, you're on a message board, not the strategic military planning commission. 98% of what happens here is opinions by people who are not experts in the field they are offering opinions on. You just don't like my opinion, so you think expertise is required. It's cute.
     
  19. LetItSoak

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  20. theriner69er

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    HA HA HA sorry to bombard you with all 50 words. Do you know anyone who can read it to you?

    Actually, let me ask....Do you think our exit from Afghanistan was handled well?
     
  21. LetItSoak

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    They set a standard of 50k and said it would be nearly impossible to reach. We got out over 100k. Yes, I would consider that a success but of course no one is thinking of the humvees!
     
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  22. theriner69er

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    Look how you have an opinion that you are willing to share, despite not being Norman fucking Schwartzkopf. See how that works?
     
  23. Georgia_Nole

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    Here’s a little life hack for all those that are complaining about leaving behind “US equipment”. You see the tails of these airplanes? You see that little triangle. You see, every military on earth has a unique emblem that identifies which country it belongs to. That little triangle means that those planes were part of the Afghan military.

    So in the future, when you’re asking questions about why we left stuff behind, and your going to attach pictures that you think might help your argument. Just look for that little triangle for me. Then realize that the US didn’t leave that behind. The Afghans did.
     
  24. LetItSoak

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    I'm speaking about objective facts based on confirmed metrics from people on the ground. If I said "50k is the wrong number" I'd be talking out of my ass, like you are.

    * I apologize to everyone BTW, I'll stop now
     
  25. Illinihockey

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    If I buy a $50,000 jeep and drive it around in the Arizona dessert for 10 years, is it still worth $50,000? Why are we acting like the US left all of this brand new equipment behind? They didn't leave a battalion of brand new Abrams tanks
     
  26. theriner69er

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    Remember when you said "Yes, I would consider that a success"? When you offered your subjective opinion of the success or failure of a massive military operation that you know dick about? When you based your opinion solely and entirely on the projected number of evacuees vs. the actual number, and didn't take a single fucking other thing into account when deeming it a "success"?

    Look, you can have your opinion, and share it. That's the entire point. And so can I, and everyone else. None of us need in-depth military intel to do that.
     
  27. theriner69er

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    Thanks for the insight, I'll look for the triangle.
     
  28. Jax Teller

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    Its lit a literally on the plane in the picture you posted, you dumb fuck.
     
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  29. Jax Teller

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    It costs somewhere in the range of $50-$100K per MRAP to airlift them out, and you can fit a whopping 3 on a C-17 and like 7 on a C-130.

    They are also supposed to go out of use in 2022.
     
  30. Jax Teller

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    What a shock, riner posting lies.
    Here's how many A-29s are used by the U.S.
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  31. Jax Teller

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    It took 30 seconds to find that but of course it doesn't go with the bullshit he tries to post
     
  32. WhiskeyDelta

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    7 on a C-5. MAYBE 1 on a C-130, they're little baby planes
     
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  33. Jax Teller

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    Yea I was just going off an article online. Maybe the article had the plane names reversed.
    Either way, riner is a dumbass.
     
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  34. Jax Teller

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    And timer this is what happens when a load of heavy vehicles breaks loose. This was loaded under normal circumstances too. I can't imagine trying to load all those vehicles under the pressure of an evaluation. I was there and watched this shit happen, it was every bit as scary as it looks.

     
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  35. theriner69er

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    Right, the information was posted AFTER I, the dumbfuck, posted the picture. In the FUTURE (since given the triangle information), I'll look for the triangles. HTH
     
  36. Jax Teller

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    Yes, you are a dumb fuck. Maybe you should try researching the shit you post first but that wouldn't fit your style.
     
  37. theriner69er

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    I saw that as well, but figured it was not up to date. That we probably have weaponry and planes and whatnot that wikipedia may not be 100% current on.

    However, I've also learned that those planes, while left at the Kabul airport, were not the US military's planes. They were planes the US military procured and gave to the Afghan military for their use. An easy way to determine that is the 2 triangles on the side of the planes, identifying those as part of the Afghan military, not the US military.

    https://external-preview.redd.it/Q2...p4&s=33215997be281bc89d798b69a9692e4f76fdeb6f
     
  38. theriner69er

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    ha ha ha ha you were just going off an article online, huh?

    HA HA HA classic
     
  39. theriner69er

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    This is the part where you go: you know what, I did the same exact thing I'm being critical of you for, I understand how easy it is to do, sometimes information isn't as clear as it seems, and none of us can do exhaustive research on everything, we just do the best we can, and it's good to be corrected when we make mistakes. Cheers, from one dumbfuck to another
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  40. Prospector

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    ooooh that source makes me positively wet
     
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    :laugh:
     
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  47. THF

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    Interesting thread, seems there is a SOF mission going on right now near the Syria/Turkey border.

    Not sure if it’s specifically our forces but it’s definitely coalition.

     
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  49. THF

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    This seems a little close imo.

     
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  50. THF

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    Appears it was our guys.