*** Official MMA Thread II ***

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  1. Corch

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    I'm not giving any rounds to Romero on principle. I know what the ref said could be considered uncouth but I'm glad he did it.
     
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  2. theriner69er

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    Romero spent the entire first round standing there flat footed, and Izzy spent the entire round dancing around him. Why is it Romero's responsibility to push forward? Romero is standing there. If you want to engage, get into the pocket and engage. If not, then it's on both guys for not throwing. I don't understand why Rogan and co. are putting it on Romero.

    Izzy had opportunities to push the fight and chose not to. That's on him as much as Romero not pushing the fight is on Romero. And when they did engage the last couple rounds it was Romero moving forward. Romero took him down (not technical takedowns), and landed combos as Izzy got up and ran. I dunno. it's odd to see a fight decided solely by 10 leg kicks as the lone blows landed by the champion. If someone is standing there like a statue, go punch him in the face maybe?
     
  3. spagett

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    I really hate fights that are nothing but grappling, but it's nuts how Romero and Rousey abandon their strengths
     
  4. spagett

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    They're mostly just saying that to justify why he lost
     
  5. Corch

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    Lol he threw a lot more than ten leg kicks
     
  6. burnttatertot

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    chal·leng·er
    /ˈCHalinjər/
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    noun: challenger; plural noun: challengers

    1. a person who engages in a contest.

    • a person who makes a rival claim to or threatens someone's hold on a position.
     
  7. theriner69er

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    even at the end though, they were saying: Romero needs to push here! I was with Romero, ride the last 30 seconds out and take your win. DC thought Romero had some responsibility to take the fight to Izzy, but like Cruz said in his text, Izzy wasn't doing anything either.

    Hopping around and feinting a guy who is standing still is not pushing the fight, it's not engaging, anymore than standing still is. At that point, if neither fighter is willing to risk engaging, you have to asses the very limited action that took place. And if that's the case, then Romero won, rounds 1, 2 , and 5.

    It seemed obvious that Romero's plan was to land the overhand left as a counter. it worked a few times. But Romero was going to be a counter fighter. Also, I wonder if the plan was to do as little as possible the first couple rounds, to conserve energy. like they said, if that was the game plan, rounds 1 and 2 worked perfectly for Romero. Minimal action, landed the shots, and took little damage. But at some point their thought process shifted, and they needed Romero to be the aggressor, and walk into Izzy...I guess?? I dunno
     
  8. theriner69er

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    If a champion cannot hit a guy standing still, or land a single significant strike anywhere but to the right thigh, is he really a champion?
     
  9. spagett

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    Nice 3 year novel
     
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  10. One Man Wolfpack

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    Sounds like the better main event was backstage. Dana saying that KZ and Ortega got into a fight backstage.
     
  11. Sir Phobos

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    just caught the women's fight on replay. incredible. Weili turned Joanna into goddamn Sloth from The Goonies. there's only a couple fights like that every decade, definitely a GOAT candidate.
     
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  12. southlick

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  13. Sir Phobos

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    Ortega waited for Zombie to take a piss then attacked his translator of all people lmao, it's borderline impossible to be more bitch-made than what Ortega just did.
     
  14. Jake Scott

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    Just glad Joanna lost. Amazing fight though.

    Main event was bullshit.
     
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  15. Jake Scott

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    Rogan seemed off last night after re-watching this morning.

    They harped on Zhang slowing down and I never saw it. If she did slow down at all it wasn’t much more than JJ. JJ’s face and head got the worst damage in the 3rd and championship rounds when they were lauding JJ for her experience.

    DC is the best imo.
     
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  16. theriner69er

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    all 3 judges scored the 5th round for *Izzy (correction). Which is essentially saying we are giving this fight to Izzy. Because Romero won that round.

    in the 5th Romero pushes forward the entire time. Not blazing forward recklessly, but he's backing Izzy up, he's controlling the ring. He lands 2 overhand lefts in the first minute, and Izzy lands a leg kick. another left from Romero. Izzy pushes forward, lands a low kick that Romero catches and uses to push Izzy backwards. Izzy spins and runs (literally) around the cage. They reset, Yoel paws 2 jabs and lands another overhand left. Rogan says - oh he stung him with that left hand. Then says Romero's really gotta go for it here! Izzy with a low kick, partially checked. they flip eachother off. Romero with a low kick. low kick by Izzy. Romero pushes forward, Izzy retreats. Izzy throws a combo that doesn't land, Romero counters and lands the overhand left again, then tells him about it. 10 second clapper, Romero raises his hands, then closes distance, throwing a combo that doesn't do much. Izzy does a cartwheel. They clash to end the round.

    That's Romero's round and there is no other way to score it. Romero landed more strikes, landed more significant strikes, and controlled the ring. There is no way to give that round to Izzy unless you are saying fuck it, we want him to win the fight.
     
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  17. THE GUBBS

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    persona ?
    just like this ?


     
  18. Jake Scott

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    You really have to dominate a champ to win these days. If it goes to a decision 9/10 times you’re fucked if you’re the challenger.

    And idk why we still haven’t had the judges and scoring altered.
     
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  19. theriner69er

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    I kind of agree with needed to beat the champ to become the champ. But it almost seems like Yoel came up with a way to win, to out-smart the system, and they went nah, fuck off, you aren't winning even if you technically did win. That 5th round was close enough, I guess, that it didn't seem like a total robbery to give it to Izzy.

    But I dunno, this is back to back championship fights where Yoel gets screwed on the scorecards. and fuck Dana for saying this is Yoel's last chance at a belt. Why can't Yoel go on a 4 fight win streak, be the #1 contender and fight for a belt?? Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but.....
     
  20. dblplay1212

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    Yoel got a title shot coming off back to back losses, and 3 out of his last 4. That's some Holly Holm shit.
     
  21. theriner69er

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    he only really got last nights shot because Izzy wanted the fight. Costa was due for a title shot, but he's hurt, so they gave Izzy the option of fighting in between, and he picked Yoel. no one else really wanted to fight Yoel, so they made it happen.

    I also think part of that has to do with Dana maybe thinking Yoel beat Whittaker the second time.
     
  22. Jake Scott

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    Bc he did beat Whitaker the second time
     
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  23. Corch

    Corch Hmm surprised you didn't know that
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    You do this every time the main event goes to a decision. No one gives a shit.

    Every single judge scored the fifth to Izzy. You don't know more about scoring professional fights than the judges who get paid to do it, so just be a better viewer.
     
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  24. Jake Scott

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    I would like to say that, based on the growing shiftiness of these judges, I think I know more about scoring professional MMA fights than these boxing judges. :twocents:
     
  25. oprostaj

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    Eh. The judges have consistently proven to at best be incompetent, at worst corrupt. I wouldn't use them as a barometer of knowledge.

    The fight sucked. Izzy ate the first counter left and said fuck that, danced around and kicked Yoel the rest of the fight. I believe he outstruck him every round, although not by much.

    All Yoel had was failed takedowns, wild swinging counters and some pressure that led nowhere.

    Dude is 42, got a title shit based solely on Izzy wanting to fight, and spent most of the fight not engaging. He didn't deserve to win shit.
     
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  26. Corch

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    Yeah I'm not saying the judges are perfect or even do a great job, just that riner argues against their decision in every main event and there's no way they're wrong every time.
     
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  27. theriner69er

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    neither of your points is true here.

    Every time a main event goes to a decision I question the outcome? False.

    If I'm wrong about the scoring of the 5th, show me where I'm wrong. I'm open to conversation, what am I missing? Izzy did next to nothing that round and was on his heels. In what way are MMA fights scored that would give Izzy that round??
     
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  28. theriner69er

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    Yoel out struck Izzy in rounds 1 and 5, but all rounds were pretty close. In total Izzy out-struck Romero 48-40.

    The first strike landed (granted it was half way through round 1) was a leg kick by Yoel. Yoel landed a jumping round kick at about 3:30 of round 1. He landed nearly as many overhand lefts as leg kicks Izzy landed. Romero landed a "wild swinging counter" in round 1 that made Izzy not want to engage either. Romero showed damage from the leg kicks, but walked through them. Whereas Izzy showed damage from the overhand lefts and altered his game and avoided them.

    Also, Romero rarely actually goes for takedowns with the intent of taking someone down. it's one of the biggest questions about him as a fighter; as an Olympic silver medalist, why woudln't he wrestle more?? But he doesn't, he typically goes for the takedown, then lands as his opponent defends the takedown. And that's exactly what he did in this fight. Yoel not getting a takedown means very little here. He landed and had Izzy literally running away from him when he went for takedowns.

    I still want to know why Izzy was not able to piece up a fighter who was just standing there, doing nothing. Izzy is the champ, and Yoel needs to win the fight, I get all of that, but as a champ, as the best in the division, you have a guy standing flat footed in front of you and all you can do is feint and throw single shots that are easily blocked or avoided? How is he not better than that?
     
  29. southlick

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  30. oprostaj

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    I only watched the fight live, I'll have to rewatch to be absolutely sure of my opinions, but some of the stuff you say doesn't make sense.

    First, I admitted Yoel's first counter made Izzy rethink. It landed flush and from then on Izzy did not really engage in the clinch. However, the rest of his overhand lefts did not connect flush. It was like watching Henderson's HBomb flail. It's literally all he had, and it wasn't working. It also sounds like you're praising Romero for walking through the leg kicks? And criticizing Izzy for adjusting? Or am I reading that wrong? Because that's literally what high level fighting is. Towards the end the kick visibly caused Yoel to buckle, if that's not significant damage I don't know what is. I think we got spoiled by the women beforehand.

    Yoel is scary, and weigh in time notwithstanding, looked to have at least 15+ pounds on him. Why in the fuck would Izzy stand in front of him and trade? Yoel fucked up Whittaker, he battered Costa. Staying and piecing him from distance is smart. It's also who Izzy is as a fighter. He's a counterpuncher. He's Silva without BJJ. That can lead to boring ass fights.

    I'm not sure what to say about the takedowns. Yoel is not some grappling master and I do agree he does so to either set up GnP or to engage while the other guy is retreating. But none of his takedowns had Izzy in trouble, nor the follow up that followed. I don't view it as a negative that Yoel caused Izzy to back up, I just wonder why he didn't do it more if it was as effective as you say.

    I know it sounds like I'm defending Izzy here, and I'd just like to say I blame him just as much for this shit show. It wasn't a decisive victory. He was timid, calculating, and standoffish.

    But he's also the champ. Yoel pushed for this fight, and then spent the vast majority of time literally standing still. I wouldn't give it to him out of principle. Where did standing and banging get him vs Whittaker or Costa? I don't blame Izzy for his game plan. Fuck standing in front of that monster. Yoel had that flurry of pressure at the end, where was that the whole fight? He looked like a different fighter than the one vs both Costa and Whittaker.
     
  31. theriner69er

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    It kind of depends on what we are calling "flush" here. There are obviously varying degrees of a punch landing. I'm not even sure that first one really landed flush. Yoel def landed a fair amount of those overhand counters. Izzy had some wear on his face even with the limited number of punches he got hit with.

    I'm not praising Romero for walking through the leg kick, exactly, I'm just saying they did not have an impact on what he was doing. Is he feeling it today? 100%. But during the fight it's not like he even changed stance. He took that abuse and did not alter his (very odd) gameplan. You can't say the same of Izzy. Izzy got clipped a bit and said fuck all of that. To me that indicates one person was more effective with their strikes than the other.

    Sure, why would Izzy stand and trade? But why would he even ask for this fight if he wasn't willing to stand and trade? You want Romero to play into Izzy's hand, to do what would give Izzy the best chance of winning??

    Romero backing Izzy up in the 5th indicates ring control, which is a component of scoring in MMA. The criteria for scoring are: effective striking, effective grappling (take downs), control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness, and defense. Romero won that 5th round based on that criteria.

    Romero gasses out faster because of his muscle mass. He needs to manage that. And I had it 2-0 after 2. What I thought he was doing was conserving every ounce of energy for the 1st 2 rounds, maybe splitting those rounds 1-1, then making it into a 3 round fight. I thought it was odd and annoying and boring, but if he's up 2-0 after 2, it's hard to argue with. At that point, IMO, the pressure shifts to Izzy. Yea, he's the champ, but now he's down 2-0?? Fucking do something about it.

    If the guy is just standing there and winning the fight, hit him. Kick him. Whatever. You're down 2-0, you are losing, go beat this guy who is doing nothing. Impose your will as the champ. Don't let this guy dictate the fight and determine how you are fighting, YOU are the champ, YOU are the baddest man in the division, go prove it.

    In the end, the judges did what you are saying; they gave Izzy a round he did not win so he could retain his belt, out of principle.
     
  32. dblplay1212

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    lol at people that don't have that guy on ignore and instead choose to go back and forth with him.
     
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  33. Jake Scott

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    Which guy?
     
  34. dblplay1212

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    Riner
     
  35. theriner69er

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    it's kinda weird, but back in forth is how discussions take place.
     
  36. theriner69er

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    I pretty much agree with Chael. After the fight he said he had Romero winning 3-2, BUT Romero has no room to really complain. And, had Romero won the fight, Izzy would have had no room to complain. Neither did much to actually win the fight. He also said he blames both of them for the lack of action. Either of them could have been more active, taken chances, done something to actively win the fight. But didn't.

    He elaborates more on that here, and I basically agree. he also breaks down why just looking at total strikes landed isn't always a great metric to score fights by.
     
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  37. cal

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    had to laugh at izzy “planning” on ending the fight with a flying knee
     
  38. Jake Scott

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  39. Jake Scott

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    Cody Garbrandt out of his fight vs Asuncao... Apparently his kidneys are fucked up.
     
  40. Lifeiskilingme79

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    Is anyone expecting Tony vs Khabib to actually happen?

    Who took global pandemic in the cancellation pool?
     
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  41. Jake Scott

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    I'm expecting the worst, hoping for the best.
     
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  42. zachary

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    tony and khabib will never happen unfortunately
     
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  43. Lifeiskilingme79

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    I'm 100% convinced that COVID is Dana's fault for once again scheduling this fight.
     
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    as much as it sucks that this will probably not happen, it gives them an excuse to get the fight the fuck away from new york

    no good comes from fighting in that state
     
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  45. spagett

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    Dbl... you have never done anything like this

    That is all
     
  46. dblplay1212

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    Look, I'll argue random shit but don't put me on his level. Just don't.
     
  47. Lifeiskilingme79

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    Yeah, this thread is fucking unbearable if any of the fights go to a decision. I usually just stop checking it.
     
  48. Jake Scott

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    Really? I never feel like that. I feel like most of the conversation itt is good. :idk: I guess I’m oblivious or part of the problem.
     
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  49. spagett

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    Is it not just 1 person?
     
  50. Lifeiskilingme79

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    One or two. Idk.
    To be fair, I usually skip over the arguments because I assume they break down into an argument of semantics.