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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Sterling A, Apr 8, 2015.
Thiem looked a little tired in that last service game. Too many slice forehands.
That stat that every active men’s major winner is over 30 is crazy.
Thiem playing so well, but hasn’t come close to touching Rafa on serve in the 2nd.
Let's go! one more point
Man I loved how physical this match was
Hope fatigue doesnt start setting in for Thiem having to play yesterday
It’d be great if Thiem would stop dumping forehands in the net.
Third set beatdown. Goodness.
This is a complete asskicking of a set so far.
Unreal shot and spin.
That last set seems to just have pissed him off. Unreal.
I was in this camp and seems so long ago. Going to be cool to tell our grandkids about this era.
The crazy thing is our grandkids will never be able to comprehend the complete domination by this generation.
Thiem broken, and that’s the ballgame.
Watching how great thiem is and looking at the score is almost incomprehensible.
Rafa about to bury this
Yet another absurdly good performance from Rafa. Not much more to say at this point.
love rafa, but stop falling to the ground after winning your 73rd french open
Stay in your lane bro
this is my lane lipp
I couldn't agree more. Act like you've been there 11 times before
I don’t think you guys understand how much sacrifice and hard work Rafa did to get there again and again. It can look a little silly but it means literally that much to him or he would be sipping mimosas in his mansion in Spain.
No point in disrespecting your opponent after that many wins, no matter how hard you worked.
I can see your point, fair enough
I’m struggling to see how that’s disrespectful.
You're a -440 favorite to win the match and you're celebrating like it's your first French Open final win. Just go over and shake Thiem's hand and celebrate afterward. No reason to lie there and force Thiem to watch you celebrate when you were the massive favorite.
He’s 33. Most of the tennis calendar now is on a surface that ravages his body. Given his style, he can break down at any time. He may be a massive favorite, but his health to continue to do this at RG is never a given at this point.
And like someone above said, the reverence he has for Paris and RG is unlike quite anything in the sport. It’s not just another notch on the belt for him.
I mean you can always come up with an excuse to excuse poor sportsmanship.
But you look silly arguing his body could break down at any time when he just went through the draw to that point dropping one set. His body wasn’t just going to fall apart during the final match. He was clearly the clear favorite and in no way was his win a surprise to anyone.
He clearly could have walked over and shaken Thiem’s hand and then fallen to the ground to celebrate the inflated reverence for a tournament that just happens to be his best tournament.
He's retired or withdrawn from 19 of his last 23 or so hard court tournaments. My comments about his body breaking down weren't about during the final, but just getting to Paris healthy in the first place. He can barely play hard courts anymore, and was a question mark health-wise this year as late as about a month ago because of a hard court injury in IW. It's never a given at this point, navigating the calendar for him.
End of the day, I've got a hard time seeing his celebration as poor sportsmanship, frankly. Even less so to be upset about it.
I mean your first sentence should be obvious how far you’re reaching to justify the behavior. Obviously you acknowledge there is something wrong with the behavior to reach that far.
The tournament wasn’t on hard courts. Had it been an Australian open I don’t think anyone would have taken issues with the feigned celebration because it would probably have been genuine. Nor would have been such a heavy favorite.
Your second “you’re mad” argument is even worse. No one is upset about his celebration. I just find it odd you are opposed to good sportsmanship.
I know this is TMB and all, but I hope we can debate this issue in good spirits. I've always looked on the tennis thread as a little oasis of pleasantry and mutual respect amongst hundreds of pissy arguments about much everything else.
I can easily see both sides of the argument on this one. Easily. I've just woken up and found out the result and thought "yep, asskicking like we thought". 6-1 6-1 in the 3rd and 4th sets - Thiem really didn't get close. So to read that Rafa did his usual collapse on the court... frankly, that's pretty silly given the circumstances of the match. He would have known it was won for a very long time so there should hardly have been that spontaneous release we sometimes see after close matches.
And look, I know from experience that normally a match is never over until it's over - so much can change so quickly. Look at the semi between Ash & Amanda - just madness. But at 6-3 5-7 6-1 5-1 this WAS over. Thiem was cooked and Rafa already had his name inscribed. So yeah, his reaction looked silly. This wasn't his first rodeo. Or even his 11th. You won last year, Rafa, remember? Hell, you won the year before too.
However... I don't think it was MEANT to be disrespectful at all and Thiem probably wasn't offended. It wasn't a huge faux pas (hey look, french!) by any means. Yes, he's consistently battled injury over the last 5 years so any major win is an achievement. But I agree with the sentiment that he should have shaken first, celebrated second.
That’s all well and good, but I don’t think it was that big of a deal and I don’t really care for Nadal in general. Thiem knows how hard it is to accomplish what Rafa has done. If you beat him, he doesn’t have the chance to celebrate in a manner in which you may disagree.
A) I didn't think it was disrespectful. Just thought it was silly that he still falls to the clay
B) Watson has co-opted my argument and thus I now realize I was initially wrong.
Time to move on
Every singles grand slam winner (except like Sloane Stephens) falls down. It's like saying hockey players shedding their gear is disrespectful. It's how the winner is supposed to celebrate.
It looked contrived. That's the point. The point is Nadal has accomplished enough he didn't really need to fake it to look like a first time grand slam winner.
And Roger did a quick raise of his hands and walked to the net after winning the 2017/2018 Australian and 2017 Wimbledon.
Anyone planning on going to the US Open? Looking into tickets now. I’ll probably also go to the Citi Open in DC.
In very welcome French Open news, in addition to the roof coming on Chatrier for play next year, Roland Garros is adding lights to Chatrier, Suzanne Lenglen, Simonne Mathieu and Court 4 in time for next year's FO. They'll have lights on every court starting in 2021.
No more play getting suspended for darkness at 8:45 Parisian time.
Had not heard that about the lights, then they mentioned it on the broadcast and i just assumed playing with roof closed. Thats going to be badass.
Yeah... that's actually not right. There are some that choose to be very theatric and others who celebrate the win but take it in their stride. Did you see the end of the women's? Ash Barty, who won her very first slam, just stood at the net after hitting the winning shot and put her hands to her head as if to say "OMG, I've won". No falling on her back or to her knees because, much like Rafa, the match was well and truly over before the end. I also don't recall Osaka reacting like that in the last 2 slams (obviously not in NY).
Welcome to the 20th century, RG...
Oh for the love of God you guys are too literal sometimes. My point is that it's an accepted thing you see and associate when someone wins a big tournament. It's the image you consistently see in highlights or advertising or any number of things. It's like the one time it's widely accepted as appropriate even if every player doesn't do it every time.
Who’s the best player on here? Any of y’all play in college?
I know it's TMB and no one can ever admit they may be wrong, but the fact you guys keep changing the goalpost should be a sign maybe you're wrong?
The fact is it isn't as common as you argued. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to believe falling to the knees is generally accepted in the proper context. I bet if you took a poll off the record the majority of the male players would agree it was bush league in today's context. Just go shake the opponent's hand then celebrate however you would like.