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Discussion in 'Soccer Board' started by Roisin Dubh, Jun 30, 2010.
Agreed, anything to stir up some shit. Only rags running with it.
Great article on Poch from skysports
When do we get our new thread
Inexcusable. Laps are currently underway.
I say we use this thread for the big clash against City this weekend, and hopefully go out in grand fashion. I don't wanna mess with success before such a big matchup. Afterward we will move to our fancy new home.
Great article on why Pochettino should stay with us even if the United rumors are true.
There is so much to admire about Mauricio Pochettino's work at Tottenham, it's difficult to know where to begin.
Take Saturday's 1-0 battering of Watford. Afterwards, a seasoned member of the press was asked by another for his man of the match. He chose Kieran Trippier, which was derided as a "safe pick" (Trippier scored) by an advocate of Christian Eriksen. Someone else chose Mousa Dembele; Ben Davies and Eric Dier were also suggested.
Tricky, because Pochettino has created a Spurs team that is greater than the sum of its parts, routinely rendering post-match player ratings articles redundant.
Try to remember when a Spurs player was significantly better than his teammates. Eriksen at Swansea, perhaps? Dele Alli at Crystal Palace? (Nope, the teenager was quiet before his seminal moment of brilliance.) Dembele weekly, maybe? (Spurs seem to win when the Belgian is fit and draw when he's not.) Harry Kane at Bournemouth? Erik Lamela versus Man City?
Even in defeat, Spurs' players are on a level. The 2-1 home loss to Newcastle, their only wretched display of the season, was uniformly bad.
Pochettino's team is a well-licked machine with replaceable parts. It's impossible to name Spurs' first choice full-backs or say which attackers are best behind Kane. If you squint hard enough, Kevin Wimmer becomes Jan Vertonghen.
The individual improvements, too, have been remarkable. Dier and Alli -- shoo-ins, you'd think, to be among Roy Hodgson's midfielders at Euro 2016 -- started the season as an out-of-position centre-half and a League One rookie. Dembele and Lamela were supposed to be expensive flops, Davies and Trippier inexpensive back-ups.
Leicester City's remarkable title charge -- increasingly resembling a Football Manager save with a glitch -- is the story of the season but it's impossible to ignore Pochettino's work.
Which brings us clumsily to Manchester United, who apparently aren't ignoring it.
Tottenham laughter at suggestions that United want Pochettino has an anxious edge because, despite the clubs' opposing trajectories, there's a hierarchy and United remain above Spurs.
In this case, however, position in the food chain shouldn't be enough alone, because it's difficult to guess what Pochettino would gain by swapping London for Manchester.
More money? Yes, but Pochettino is due a new contract at Spurs and given his work he can demand a significant pay-rise from club chairman Daniel Levy.
A significantly bigger transfer budget? Yes, but Pochettino has repeatedly stressed that his "philosophy" is not to sign new players, but to promote from the academy, a policy at odds with Ed Woodward's brand-building Galactico-desires.
A better squad? No. Pochettino is a striker, a centre-half and a defensive midfielder away from having a Spurs squad wanting for nothing, whereas United's is as mismatched as any in the Premier League.
A better structure? No. Pochettino recruited Paul Mitchell from Southampton as Spurs' head of recruitment and has great faith in academy chief John McDermott, a gruff Yorkshireman who rejected the chance to move to United last month. United are still looking for their McDermott and have no effective link between the manager and Woodward.
Better prospects? Not really. Spurs have a reputation as a selling club but there is nothing to suggest that their gems will leave this summer. Eventually Kane and Alli may be lured to Real Madrid, but so was Cristiano Ronaldo. In the immediate future, Pochettino can look forward to his young squad getting even better -- a frightening prospect for the rest of the Premier League.
There's also the likelihood of Champions League football next season, while United slog it out in the Europa League. There is also the construction of a new stadium to rival the finest in the world and boost Spurs' global reach and brand (areas where United are significantly ahead, admittedly).
Pochettino is ambitious and he jumped ship at Southampton at a similar stage. Only after Pochettino's recruiter, former Southampton chairman Nicola Cortese, had departed did it become clear that Saints' squad was facing decimation. Pochettino's Spurs may be contenders for the title, but his project is unfinished and at United he would have to start from scratch, using time and transfer windows to rid the squad of the unwilling and unable, while instilling his methods.
While Jose Mourinho remains the front-runner, Pochettino is a great fit for United. After the appointment of David Moyes, Sir Bobby Charlton, the embodiment of United's values, said the club had "secured a man who is committed to the long-term and will build teams for the future as well as now...and recognises the importance of bringing young players through and developing them alongside world class talent."
That describes Pochettino to a tee. The Argentine frequently says he is working for both the future and the present, and has spoken of his "perfect mix" of youth and experience at Spurs.
Pochettino at Old Trafford would be fascinating: Would he spend? Would he discard Wayne Rooney? Yet while Tottenham remain the smaller fish, they are swimming faster and more gracefully.
Pochettino should chose football over finance, and stay put.
Poch would be insane to go to that mess of a club right now.
It's like having a solid 7-7.5 right now with their shit figured out and some super hot mess you run into at the bar.
You normally would take that to pound town and then run, but you're loving things with the 7-7.5 and sure as fuck don't marry the hot mess.
I think someone offered up number 2 in the table number 1 in your hearts earlier. I like that for a new thread title.
Everton is a 7, the way this club is set up for the future is damn near a 9.
Slow your roll, boogie boo.
I also like : Dear Poch, don't take ManU to pound town. She's a hot mess.
We have the best training facility in England, one of the top 3 academies, a brand new stadium on the way, the youngest team in the EPL, are located in London, and Poch has way more control than he'd ever get at a place like United. Don't let the Arsenal fan in you blind you from what is happening a few miles away from the Emirates, love. There are only a handful of clubs in the world that are a dime piece, we are in that next tier.
Please work on that embarrassingly low GD when you get a chance, too.
Why choose to hurt me :'(
Since when is a 7 bad? No other club really fit the description that I could think of. Liverpool are currently a 5 if that makes you feel better.
Honestly I think the only thing that Seperates Everton and Spurs is your upcoming stadium and current goal keepers. Other than that we are pretty much the same as everything you described
Who are your Alli and Kane and Dier equivalents? Genuinely asking.
Besides the top manager, amazing training facility, new stadium, stout defense, and being located in a way more preferable city they are indeed pretty similar.
We're all going to pay a fee for the massive mound of shit Ace has been flinging over the past 2 week.s
I'm not sure what part of that post is incorrect. I like Everton as a club but we do hold some distinct advantages over them at the moment.
4 on the trot during this supposed shit flinging streak. Do you really want me to stop before City? If you plan on blaming me if and when the worm turns then I deserve some credit while the getting is good.
I admittedly could have used a gentler tone in expressing my point of view.
barkley, lukaku, and besic if i'm not mistaken on the last one.
We have an exciting young team led by the best manager we've had since I've been following the team (and by all accounts way longer than that). We lead the fucking league in goal differential, something I never planned on seeing in my lifetime. We've lost once on the road all season and have the best defensive record, after shipping roughly the same amount as Hull City last season. If ever there were a time to start flinging shit, this is it fellas. We don't know how long this is going to last, enjoy it while it does.
Rom, Ross, and choose one of McCarthy/Barry/Mo
Finch Farm is a great training facility as well. London is better and I spoke on the new stadium. Our defensive talent is good but Tim has fucked our world.
All kidding aside, you guys clearly have a very talented squad. Managerial quality, new stadium, location, and a goalkeeper who can stop a shot are the main differences between us at the moment. Some of those are easier to remedy than others.
according to l'equipe, we're in "very advanced" talks with michy batshuayi
Ooh I like that.
Michy would be an amazing signing. I could dig up the post where Gunners laughed off suggestions of us actually landing him too, which would be great fun if we get him.
y'all are in a pretty good spot, but settle down just a bit yo. you haven't finished even in the top 4 just yet.
Settle some nuts on your chin.
Not a big deal. I've been in "advanced talks" with Jennifer Lawrence for years.
So that's what you call your right hand?
Arsenal fans trying to throw cold water all over this thread, the fear is real.
Doubt it, he's a questionable talent like Eriksen was. Big name but big teams don't seem to want him.
If Poch wants him, it is good enough for me. Eriksen worked out alright.
Over the 4 windows under Poch we are at a net gain of 10M pounds. We've also trimmed the wage bill and become an immeasurably better team. Just a great job of streamlining by him and the front office.
Damn. Fuck Arsenal, still, we win and we're two points off the lead.
Like if Wasileski doesn't bitch slap Nacho, whose headed pass was always going to a goal kick, that's the end of the game. Truly mindless tackle.
I never want Arsenal to win but if we had to pick someone to win that match it makes more sense for it to be them if we want to gain ground on Leicester. A draw would have obviously been way better. As soon as that moron made the challenge I felt a goal coming in my bones.
All that matters is taking care of our business this morning.
Eriksen turned 24 today, hopefully he gets 3 points as his present.
Tottenham Hotspur @SpursOfficial 2m2 minutes ago
#THFC team: Lloris (c), Walker, Alderweireld, Wimmer, Rose; Dembele, Dier; Eriksen, Alli, Son; Kane #COYS
About the team I expected, give or take Son for Lamela or Chadli. Of course Kompany returns for the first time in forever against us, hopefully is rusty as their record with him in the lineup is drastically better than without.
I love that Son is starting ahead of Lamela. I can see our attacking players giving them fits with Eriksen and Alli stirring the drink.
Me too, Lamela has been pedestrian the past few matches.
Kyle Walker is pure garbage