Official Ukraine Thread: Putin On The Fritz

Glad to see the US propaganda machine still works. Good luck

 

Guess we found out who watches Tucker in this thread

 

I'd like Russia to wait until after this summer to attack-- otherwise Berlin isn't going to be an option since Biden said he would shut down the pipeline to Germany.

Putin can have Ukraine after my trip

 

Brolift has a pretty massive following on Telegram

 

Pour Manhattan Project level resources into nuclear fusion development, then provide the basics to allied nations, rendering the whole plan irrelevant.

EZ

 

I was totally comfortable with a conversation about NATO / imperialism and whatever the fuck was going on yesterday but the Russian talking points are wild. Tucker has done his job I guess!

 

Somebodies been consuming fintwit

 

aah yes, the "they'll welcome us as liberators" piece

 

This thread takes the wildest swings of any on TMB and that is saying something

I’d like to get back to WhiskeyDelta educating us on what the F22 would do to Su-25s and random Russian armor

 

Never snort pure Zero Hedge, you guys. You gotta dilute that shit first.

 

Zelensky was making fun of our war machine today. That was literally a thing that happened. Some of you guys should probably think about that a bit

 

He was parroting Putin's essay while accusing others of consuming too much propaganda. I have to assume it was a pretty solid troll job

 

Another astute political observation in a long line of them

 

Give me that sweet sweet propaganda

 

Hey now, that land was paid for. Y'all sold it and we have the deed

 

Stop giving into the propaganda bro

 

I’m always in favor of narrowing the scope of acceptable discussion to exclude Trump, Putin, Tucker Carlson, etc. talking points.

 

Jesus man leave him alone.

 

Not using it as entertainment like a Th night NBA game.

interested in capabilities of varying military tech while realizing they are designed as instruments of death.

same reason people visit Normandy or Gettysburg

 

This is the first I had seen of warnings to US Citizens in Belarus.

 

nah

We’re talking about machines that cost millions a piece that have failed in their primary mission if they ever get used, and their secondary mission is to kill people

I like Top Gun as much as any 80s kid but I’m struggling to see the utility in the proliferation of all these “intel” feeds

 

Gross, no. I probably was when I was 16.

I’m pretty anti-NATO expansion. I can’t see, and don’t want to see, the US committing troops to defend the territorial integrity of Montenegro, but these arguments about historical links/culture is an argument in favor of imperialism.

 

What is their primary mission?

 

deterrence

 

They look cool though

 

Bruh he’s having a harmless convo about machines in a hypothetical situation with a knowledgeable dude on a message board nobody fucking reads.

Budkilmer starts a podcast to
Jack off to war machines, okay. Go off on him comrades. He starts openly rooting for Russian soldiers die, again send him to the gulag. But he’s just getting about machines, and while they’re machines of war, hes not advocating for anyone to die, and he’s discussing them on a microscopic niche dot on the Internet where his harmless interest will have precisely 0% effect on anyone’s view of war or war machines.

fucking leave it out.

 

I was hoping today’s performance from Lavrov was maybe a tiny sign that they step back, looks like wishful thinking.

 

Okay then relax until someone you think is problematic says something actually problematic

 

I can’t relax until you relax

 

Same, but I haven’t given up all hope. Putin is going to ask for the world and for him to have any chance of getting it, he’s going to need to have given everyone every indication he will pull the trigger. Otherwise the risk in telling him no isn’t as great.

I really hope this is all a bluff but am concerned it’s not.

 

One thing I’d like to know is why does everyone, including myself, think Russia’s economy is in the shitter? I’ve always heard that as well. I know NATO sanctions the fuck out of them. But they’re a big country, and there are lots of places that don’t sanction them.

Any body got any good reads from a source that isn’t western media owned and operated? (Academic, investigative reporter, stuff like that) Not saying their economy isn’t shit and their people are suffering on a massive scale. It just occurred to me I have no idea why I’ve always felt that way.

 

Tension is rising in this thread.

 

Start by researching the pillage Vlad has done to the Russian economy for the last 15 years then go from there.

 

The difference in gdp per capita between us and them is staggering.

Also feels weird and makes my blood boil (at the US and our leaders) that our poverty rate isn’t very different.

 

so my quick research says their poverty line is $154 a month. US poverty line is around $1,000. I’m not sure if poverty rate is normalized for cost of living though

 

US and Canada spend about the same percentage of gdp on social services but seems like Canada has much better outcomes