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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by AU3kGT, Jun 21, 2015.
What are the rules of engagement if a NATO country goes on the offensive?
And yeah they have about 300 years of wanting to fuck Russia up behind their eyes.
No obligation to assist*
*unless it's the US invading Iraq, and then we call our stuff Freedom Fries for a few years.
yeah Poland probably getting impatient
Poland rolling into ukraine would be fucking wild. Surely Russia would have to do a general mobilization at that point. Not good
Wasn’t the entry into Afghanistan a NATO operation? Feel like Canada went because USA declared it a NATO op, even tho we had nothing to do with it.
Wonder if Poland is waiting until Russia has been massively weakened and then whamo roll the tanks eastward.
You're correct yes
I’m sure they’ve already kicked this idea around and everyone in NATO has convinced them not to do it
Not sure Poland has much of an offensive military at this point, they are heavily built to defend
“Weird amount of Ukrainian soldiers speaking Polish these days”
"why do they keep comparing Zelenski to Walesa?"
this is convincing but also feels sort of q-anony so i don't know if i want to believe it
The US invoked article 5 after 9/11 attacks
Things not going well in donbas today
Hell yeah. If the Euros really are chickening out, we need to. We need to realize that the French and Germans don't care about Eastern Europe other than how it can be exploited by them.
" We're going to kick Russians ass and make the oligarchs pay for it"
Didn't they get their money from highly unethical/illegal ways? The fact we're seizing their money tells me that they aren't good people. Why would we give it back at all? They shouldn't have any money to pay us back with. Fuck em.
I love this
Show them who they really are
But the article said if governments want to keep that money they’ll end up in court fighting to get it. This isn’t a perfect solution but at least the money is going to help rebuild Ukraine.
Jeezus that's tough...
Isn’t the SU-35 their most advanced aircraft?
su-57 is their best air superiority fighter but they have like 5
su-35 is their best that they have any meaningful number of. Came out in 2008.
A mig-29 knocking out a SU-35 on the surface requires more information for me
Thank you. But still leads me to this.
unrelated to Ukraine but this is kind of the defacto military thread right now
TIL that f-35 and other stealth aircraft will usually fly with luneburg lens radar reflectors on them. This reflects radar very well making the aircraft visible on radar. Why would we do this?
1) You need to be seen on radar most of the time for air traffic control etc...
2) In areas where enemy (russia/china) radars are active we want to conceal the true stealth capabilities of the aircrafts. This is mostly true in the middle east where russia has s-400 systems and we don't want to give them experience seeing f-35s and f-22s on their radars.
Here is an article: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/these-devices-make-stealth-aircraft-visible-on-radar-screens/
So we send the long range rocket systems to counter the TOS…. What does Russia use next?
don't ask those stupid ass questions. He's a dying man. He's going to escalate either way. This war sucks, but at a certain point, more people will die from us delaying than committing these weapons.
I have no issue with this vs our interventions in the Middle East/Afghanistan. Russia is a broken society. It's like our school shooting broke but at every level.
So they missed/damaged with an RPG, hit/disabled with a Javelin or NLAW?
Easy fella. That’s not rhetorical.
I was asking what are the next military weapons that get used by Russia to counter. If they can’t use TOS because of the long range rockets, they’ll need to escalate to something else to get through Donbas or other trench/dug in Ukraine positions.
bc Kissinger and others in the West opening their mouth when they are disconnected that nothing is ever enough for the Russians
Sorry, that was pre-coffee. Post below this one I'm replying to actually was my context. Western Europeans already seem fatigued.
I think the TOS is a short range weapon (relatively). It’s range is around 3 km. Apparently it’s range is just a bit shorter than the Javelin which can be effective at up to 4 km.
I think that’s right? Which is why we’re giving Ukraine the rocket system with 300 mile(I might be wrong on the distance) range to target/counter TOS? I thought maybe one of the military dudes might know what Russia would use next if they couldn’t target anything from greater than 300 miles away.
I’m not an expert but I’m not sure how much you can do about something 300 miles away that’s also mobile especially w/o air superiority. I think you have to do your best to shelter from these and it’ll slow you down / lead to more attrition which I’m sure is the goal.
First one malfunctioned and didn’t fire. Matador was the one that hit it fired by the cameraman.
ammunition cooked off when it drove into the woods. Also looks like some additional hits around that time.
Idk how this guy was fighting in the trench lugging around those massive balls. God speed