Origins of Jon Snow- For those who have finished book 4

Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by mph09, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. OTM

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    Called you a girl lolololol
     
  2. Damion

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    Isnt that Dayne kid Arya meets supposed to be the next Lord of Starfall and heir to Dawn?
     
  3. three stacks

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    he is heir to starfall, but irrc, dawn is not inherited by birthright; it's earned. that's why ser arthur was the sword of the morning in spite of the fact that he could never be lord of starfall.

    why do i know this
     
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  4. Damion

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    Yea youre right....I just looked it up

    I didnt know that whoever weilds the sword is named The Sword of Morning tho.... I thought that was just the nickname of Ser Arthur Dayne

    The last time anyone saw the sword is when Ned gave it to Ashara Dayne
     
  5. Jesse Palmer

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  6. Jesse Palmer

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    So what about Jon being vulnerable to fire? His hand got burned. Fire cannot hurt a dragon, right?

    I believe in R+L=J, but I've always been a little bothered by his susceptibility to flame. I know he isnt 100% targ, but he is still thought to be a head of the dragon.
     
  7. Jesse Palmer

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    But that's not to say others didn't know she was preggers with someone other than his wife's baby.

    It was well known he fancied Lyanna. The promise solidifies the fact that the baby was saved and safe in Winterfell, but it's not to say others whose allegiance is still to the Targ's could not have made the inference and stayed quiet. (ie Varys or Illyro)
     
  8. Arkie Proud

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    Targs aren't immune to fire. GRRM has stated himself that what happened with Daenerys was more of a mythical, one-time thing than an ability inherit to all Targs. Even if they did have some small immunity to fire, R+L=J dictates he is only half Targ.
     
  9. Verbal Kint

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    Top of the head here: We all assume if Aegon is really a Targ that he's Rhaegars kid through Elyia (sorry can't remember spellings) of Dorne. Is it possible that Lyannas promise from Ned was to take the boy to safety elsewhere? Could he have helped Varys send the boy to Pentos and Aegon actually is dead but they couldn't tell him he is a bastard because it would be less likely for them to gain alliances if the Lords knew he was a Targ/Stark bastard? Maybe Jon really just is Ned's bastard son
     
  10. Arkie Proud

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    I will say with 100% certainty that Jon Snow is not just some bastard kid of Ned's. It may not be R+L=J, but it's something. Ok, 99% certainty, but you get what I'm saying.
     
  11. slhorn

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    No. Jon's mom can't be just anyone. That would undervalue the whole "who is my mom thing" that has been going on for 5 books. Just no.

    For the record this post is much more of a wish and hope than actual fact.
     
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  13. The Blackfish

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    It is. It has to be.
     
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  14. Verbal Kint

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    I agree that its most likely R+L but was thinking that he may be trollin us all
     
  15. Jesse Palmer

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    I'm sure someone has said his before, but I just found this on he reread..

    Jonny Snow has to be Lyanna's kid. At the beginning of the book, Arya and Jon are said to only look like one another. And Eddard later says that Arya looks just like Lyanna
     
  16. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    Just read this interview and have no doubts whatsoever that R+L=J. http://www.adriasnews.com/2012/10/george-r-r-martin-interview.html

    Q: Do you use to check the Internet forums in order to see the predictions made by your fans?

    A: The fans use to come up with theories; lots of them are just speculative but some of them are in the right way. Before the Internet, one reader could guess the ending you wanna do for your novel, but the other 10.000 wouldn’t know anything and they would be surprised. However, now, those 10.000 people use the Internet and read the right theories. They say: “Oh God, the butler did it!”, to use an example of a mystery novel. Then, you think: “I have to change the ending! The maiden would be the criminal!” To my mind that way is a disaster because if you are doing well you work, the books are full of clues that point to the butler doing it and help you to figure up the butler did it, but if you change the ending to point the maiden, the clues make no sense anymore; they are wrong or are lies, and I am not a liar.
     
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    Thank god and he is spot on. If he changes R + L = J then he is a liar
     
  18. Babou

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    Finally some good news.
     
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  20. Jesse Palmer

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    So can we party up in here?

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