PAC 12 Athletes threaten boycott of Fall Sports

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  1. Truman

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    #WeAreUnited
    By Players of the Pac-12
    Aug 2 2020
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    To ensure future generations of college athletes will be treated fairly, #WeAreUnited.

    Because NCAA sports exploit college athletes physically, economically and academically, and also disproportionately harm Black college athletes, #WeAreUnited.

    In rejecting the NCAA’s claim that #BlackLivesMatter while also systematically exploiting Black athletes nationwide, #WeAreUnited.

    Because we are being asked to play college sports in a pandemic in a system without enforced health and safety standards, and without transparency about COVID cases on our teams, the risks to ourselves, our families, and our communities, #WeAreUnited.

    Because we must have adequate COVID testing to help protect our health, #WeAreUnited.

    Because we are prohibited from securing representation while being asked to sign documents that may serve as liability waivers, #WeAreUnited.

    Because we should not be stuck with sports-related medical expenses, including COVID-19 related expenses, #WeAreUnited.

    Because any player who does not feel comfortable playing this season should be free to opt out without losing their scholarship or any eligibility, #WeAreUnited.

    Because immoral rules would punish us for receiving basic necessities or compensation for the use of our names, images and likenesses, while many of us and our families are suffering economically from the COVID-19 fallout, #WeAreUnited.

    Because we should be included in equitably sharing the revenue our talents generate, especially in a pandemic, #WeAreUnited.

    Because unjust rules prevent the 98% of college football and basketball players who won’t go pro from capitalizing economically on what would otherwise be the most valuable years of our lives, including many Black players from low-income homes, #WeAreUnited.

    Because eliminating lavish salaries and facility expenditures to preserve all sports must be prioritized, #WeAreUnited.

    Because the NCAA has failed us and we are prepared to ensure that our conference treats us fairly whether or not it continues its NCAA membership, #WeAreUnited.

    In forming alliances with college athletes from other conferences to unite with us for change, #WeAreUnited.

    #WeAreUnited in our commitment to secure fair treatment for college athletes. Due to COVID-19 and other serious concerns, we will opt-out of Pac-12 fall camp and game participation unless the following demands are guaranteed in writing by our conference to protect and benefit both scholarship athletes and walk-ons.

    Pac-12 Football Unity Demands
    To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes


    I. Health & Safety Protections
    COVID-19 Protections
    1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team’s roster.
    2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.
    Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
    1. Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
    II. Protect All Sports
    Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
    1. Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
    2. End performance/academic bonuses.
    3. End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*
    *As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

    III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
    1. Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
    2. In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
    3. Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
    IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
    Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
    1. Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
    Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
    1. The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
    Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
    1. Distribute 50% of each sport’s total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
    2. Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
    3. Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
    4. Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
    5. Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
    6. Due process rights
     
  2. C Yank

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    Can’t sit out the season, if the season doesn’t happen.
     
  3. Andy Reocho

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  4. beist

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    I predict that they will not successfully persuade the conference to distribute 50% of revenue to athletes before fall camp starts.
     
  5. killerwvu

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    They also won't be able to use endowment to bring back non-revenue sports
     
  6. beist

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    Yeah that too. It’s not feasible to get half that stuff done in 2 years let alone 2 weeks.

    I do think they should sit out for Covid reasons though, if that’s what they want to do.
     
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  8. hipsterjoe

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    sitting out while planking is an A+ way to maintain prime physical health while flexing your bulging social justice muscles
     
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  9. Andy Reocho

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    I think it’s a fair thing to include since they’re fighting for all athletes.

    And this is a general statement and not tied to this topic, endowments are dumb as shit and a useless dick measuring tool for higher education/the rich
     
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  10. Anison

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    I see a bunch of starting negotiating points but not a lot they’re actually going to get. It should help move the conversation and the outcomes, which is important and I assume their intention.
     
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  11. beist

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    Reading it again, i see a fancy way of saying “here is a list of 17 ways you are screwing us so fuck off if you think we are going to play in a pandemic.” Which is a very reasonable stance, but we’ll see how many actually sit out when the time comes.
     
  12. EdmondDantes

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    The pac12 hasn't been playing sports for years!
     
  13. BellottiBold

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  14. herb.burdette

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    Do we have a list of players or schools?
     
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  16. jokewood

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    Pac-12 presidents: we'll meet you halfway and eliminate the excessive pay of Larry Scott
     
  17. Dump

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    what will we ever do without watching the Pac12 try and attempt football?!?!?!?!?!?!!
     
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  18. timo

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    every college football player should strike for pay right now. they'd have the ncaa and these universities by the balls if they could organize just a tiny bit
     
  19. Redav

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    Yep. I hope they follow suit.

    The home board reactions would be worth it by themselves
     
  20. Zap Branigan

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    This is great
     
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  21. Odin

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    sleep because that shit starts too damn late
     
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  22. beist

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    Here’s a big name
     
  23. The Banks

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    Literally what these players are trying to do.
     
  24. steamengine

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    This never would’ve happened if Toby Gerhardt we’re still playing, I’ll tell you that much!
     
  25. Cornfed Buffalo

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    Like this? Cringed hard when it got to the "never would even get a college education without football.

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  26. Boo MFer!

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    Gaining ground outside the PAC? Florida’s Zach Carter checking in:


     
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  27. Handcuffed

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    i don't understand this and i see it repeated everywhere, especially on twitter.

    (i am totally in favor of players getting more than what they get now, fwiw, not even mentioning healthcare things)

    schools never have trouble filling their total scholarships. demand far exceeds supply. i don't think players are in a position with much leverage in general but especially towards a revenue sharing model. so how are any of these schools staring down the barrel? you could have a hypothetical where every potential football player stops playing but that's just not realistic.
     
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  28. Redav

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    Uh they pretty much have all the power. They just are finally realizing it.

    And of course you could have scab(??) cfb players but basically ask any professional sports league how popular playing with replacement players is.
     
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  29. beist

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    I assume he was using university to refer to athletic programs, not the university itself.

    it’s becoming pretty apparent that the viability of large collegiate athletic programs is dependent on football revenue.
     
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  30. Daniel Ocean

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    Good for them. I feel weird hoping there will be a season knowing it’s putting lives in danger. Season should be cancelled and every player that’s wants should get an extra year of eligibility and those scholarships shouldn’t count towards numbers.
     
  31. The Banks

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    This seems like it should be very reasonable and simple for the NCAA to give the go ahead
     
  32. killerwvu

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    They did it for spring sports. It's up the individual school if they will honor the scholarships

    WVU did. Believe Wisconsin did not. Only 2 that I know about though
     
  33. NP13

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    we did. i think only about 1/3 of those eligible actually decided to accept it though. of course, football and basketball would be vastly different
     
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  34. killerwvu

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    Way more costly too
     
  35. Duck70

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    Let's be honest... Football should not be happening this fall without a vaccine or treatment.
     
  36. Chipper>Jeter

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    Hate to see the PAC 12 use Covid to avoid the embarrassment of not making the top 4 in CFB
     
  37. The Banks

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    Should be noted that known BIG 10ish school Ohio State paid millions to back out of a game against PAC 12 Oregon.
     
  38. chuckmasterflex

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  39. EdmondDantes

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  41. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Just came to post this, wow. WSU somehow more conservative than when Leach was there.
     
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  43. Daniel Ocean

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  44. Boo MFer!

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    Hoo boy. This seems like the worst possible way to handle this.
     
  45. Anison

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    Just a coincidence....
     
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  46. G46

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    If you are going to opt out of playing this year, it makes sense that they wouldn’t want you putting the team at risk since you won’t be following the same protocols
     
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  47. Redav

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    Posted in the other thread...

     
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  48. Anison

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    Right but the question is whether they’ve said they are opting out or simply signed on to negotiate whether they will opt out. Is WSU’s position “we’re not giving what you asked for so we consider you to be opting out?”
     
  49. BudKilmer

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    Dick move Rolo
     
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  50. G46

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    Gotcha. I guess I just assumed that he told the coaches he wasn’t going to play.

    I think all of these universities have said guys that don’t want to play won’t lose their scholarship.