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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by dallasdawg, Jul 18, 2017.
Wife and I did the same about 3 weeks ago. I'm working through the Beginner series and liking it.
Forgot to respond to this part. I am still a beginner too (I've had my bike for 10 weeks...I know this because I just got my 10 week streak badge) but I would recommend the Mastering the Basics - Cycling program. It's a 6-week program that gives you a taste of different styles of beginner and advanced-beginner rides and most of the instructors. I found that my personal bests were increasing with each week as I got into it and the program does let you sample instructors, which is important. It's worth trying a bunch of them. Only 1 or 2 of the rides in the entire program is 45 minutes so it does a good job of easing you in, especially if cycling in general (and not just Peloton) is new to you.
I'd also recommend doing the 5-minute post ride stretch after every single ride. It sure helped me not be in pain/sore even from the beginning and I feel stronger because of it.
Squeaked in a new 30 min PR record by 1 point. Robyn's HIIT classes are great.
Rode Kendall Toole's premiere ride tonight along with 350+ other people giving her a try in an encore ride - huge crowd for an Encore a day after. She was pretty good. Didn't come across as someone who I'll put in really heavy rotation, but will happily ride with her when looking for new Rock rides. Will be interesting to see if she partially aligns with a program like Tabata, PZ, etc or not. Believe she said she also like that raps music you youngins' like, so may be some of those in the offing, too.
My output was pretty good, but there was someone ahead of me I was pacing off the whole time that seemed more relevant than her motivation. Hard to judge how tough anyone's rides will be long-term in a Premiere ride. Studio was full of other instructors riding with her, which is cool, I guess....don't actually care, it was dark and I couldn't see them.
Read some reviews of the other new instructor. Women reviewers loved her, seemed like an Jenn Sherman or Ally type who speaks more to women looking for positive motivation than men looking for hot chicks to taunt them into working hard.
first ride back in a few weeks because of travel and bronchitis. fuck me.
(and it feels real bad complaining when there's someone itt that's getting radiation but I'm still going to complain)
Visited my brother and rode his bike this AM. Think there might be something to the variability in bikes since I crushed a 30 minute workout with an average output of 204 without feeling like I was dying. On my bike my previous best was 184 on a 30 minute ride.
There should have been no way for me to PR with he amount of wine we drank the night before.
Looking forward to jumping back in. Got a bit of ITBS on the outside of my knee from a backpacking trip. Seems like I can ride with no ill effects but we'll see.
There is no doubt about the variability. I believe a engineering-type at the Reddit site has confirmation of a Peloton-accepted variability tolerance of +- 10%. If your bike is 5% slow and your brother's is 5% hot, that would about account for what you saw. Hotel/studio bikes run hotter than 10%.
You can calibrate your bike to whatever you want in a pretty easy looking process, though I've never confirmed the ease by trying it myself.
There are also guidelines like 100 cadence and 40 resistance should = x output along with the same numbers for other cadence/resistance combos, but I don't have those saved anywhere and haven't checked my bike.
100 cadence and 40 resistance on my bike is 150 output
Just looked up the spread sheet but 40 resistance and 100 cadence should get you 185. A quick test and looks like mine was closer to 165.
I understand cadence and resistance itself varying from bike to bike given the physical variance of the wheels, resistance pads, etc....but why does the math change? 100C and 40r.should always be the same?
Is there a TMB group? Accepting invitations?
Noobs - Strava group - https://www.strava.com/clubs/188670 Ping a.tramp if he doesn't approve your request to join.
Here are the power guidelines:
Cadence = 100RPM
Resistance Output (Watts)
I get right around 160 at 100 cad, 40 res.
The question is what happens if my 40 resistance feels very different from your 40 resistance. Outputs will be same, experience very different.
FWIW I can approve people too. Anyone from here that request send me a pm here so I know it’s you so I can approve the request.
Who's getting in on this IPO?
Not me, don't do IPOs.
Got back up to 100+ miles in a week. First week to 10 days after initial treatment was pretty shitty, so didn't expect 100 this soon. Avg output still down, but getting better. Supposed to be cumulative effect over next 8-10 months. Hoping that is minimal, but something like bad blood cell counts looms. Next poisoning is early Nov.
i hurt myself (by just being super duper sore - pretty bad pain just to the touch) on a hike about 3-4 weeks ago and have been out of my routine since then. committing again starting tomorrow though i think i'll be pushing less and focusing more on lower resistance and maybe more on speed/duration as i think i build up giant muscles this summer and that hurt me on my hikes. in other words, i don't anticipate besting my PRs for along while and maybe never again.
Dipped pretty considerably which is unsurprising given the overall IPO market and how high they were valuing themselves. Will be interesting to follow as someone who isn't allowed to invest in them anyways.
Foley said profitability expected in 2023 on Squawk Box today and teased a new product as well (all bets are on the rower) in their new studio.
Yeah, unprofitable companies going public haven't fared well this year.
I first encountered a Peloton exercise bike at a cousin's house. It was hard not to be impressed by its premium design, mammoth touchscreen and studio-like streaming classes. But $2,200-plus for the bike and a $39-a-month subscription? Yikes. Thankfully, you can get a Peloton-like experience for less -- and Cheapskate readers can score an exclusive bonus as well (see below).
Echelon is a direct Peloton competitor, and the company's Connect EX series of bikes has a starting price of $840. Why the big discrepancy? For starters, three of the four models are BYO screen: They pair via Bluetooth with your phone or tablet (a free one is included -- see below for that as well) for your cycle-class sessions. Beyond that, it's hard to see many differences. The bike I tested, the EX3, looks and feels like a premium product, and the classes come straight from the Peloton playbook.
Read more: Peloton bike review
Although my overall experience with the latter is limited to the aforementioned family encounter and a quick trial of a neighbor's machine, I wanted to see for myself: Could a $1,000 exercise bike measure up to one costing more than twice as much?
Short answer: yup. While I'm not fully sold on indoor exercise bikes in general, I think Echelon's hardware and ecosystem will please anyone seeking this kind of cycling experience.
Setup and design
The Connect EX3 took about 45 minutes to assemble, courtesy of a simple (and occasionally amusing) instruction video. I paired it with an old iPad Air, which, of course, is no substitute for Peloton's stunning 21-inch display -- but it gets the job done. It also offers one notable advantage: If I don't feel like taking a class, I can use the iPad to watch Hulu, Netflix, YouTube or whatever.
The machine itself is an all-metal beauty -- sleek, sturdy, compact and impressive-looking. It's easy to move around thanks to the wheels on one end, and it's virtually silent in operation. Although I used headphones during workouts, they weren't necessary; I could easily have relied on the iPad's speakers. (One more perk to using your own tablet: It should work with just about any Bluetooth headphones. Peloton's system works with only "some" of them.)
For the record, I'm 6 feet tall, 175-ish pounds. (OK, trying to get back there from 179.) I find the Echelon to be very stable while riding, even when I'm up out of the seat. Granted, I'm not rocking wildly back and forth; I keep my body pretty centered. But although the EX3 is lighter overall than the Peloton, the former feels very solid. I can't say I found the seat or handle grips very comfortable, but that's true of my regular bike as well. Your mileage may vary.
What it's like to take a virtual cycling class
I'm a newcomer to all this. I own an outdoor bike, but I've never taken any kind of indoor-cycling class. My machine of choice has always been an elliptical, one pointed at a TV so I could watch something while working out. That's how I make the exercise tolerable, so I was a little leery of Echelon's classes. They sounded boring.
I started with a few 20-minute introductory classes, which honestly felt like a slog. I couldn't see myself doing this activity for 30 or 45 minutes at a time, let alone an hour. But then I did a 30-minute class and found, to my surprise, that the time went by pretty quickly. From there I tried a live class and started to see what all the fuss is about: A good high-energy instructor, especially when she calls you out by name, makes it pretty fun. Similarly, I liked monitoring all my stats (speed, output, cadence and so on, all of which appear in real-time in the app) and seeing how I fared against other riders on the leaderboard.
I also found that the seat, which felt uncomfortable at first, started to break in. Long story short: Like any new exercise regimen, it got easier and more enjoyable the longer I stayed with it.
The Echelon app looks very similar to Peloton's and includes access to scenic rides in addition to studio classes. Those classes range from live ones scheduled throughout the day to dozens of on-demand sessions of varying length and skill level. Your subscription also affords access to Echelon's FitPass, which streams live and on-demand nonbike classes (stretching, strength, yoga and so on) as well. In other words, you're getting a very rounded fitness service here, not just something that's 100% bike-oriented.
Here's one thing I didn't like: Each time I returned to the bike to take a class, I had to manually reconnect it to the app -- a process that's three or four taps deep. There's no reason the app shouldn't be able to autoconnect when you hit the bike's power button or start pedaling. Similarly, I'm bummed the app doesn't currently offer Apple Health integration, though Echelon's CTO told me that capability is on the way.
My only real complaint with the bike itself (and it's a minor one): I wish you could adjust the seat tilt without breaking out the two included wrenches. I mean, once it's set, you shouldn't need to adjust it again. But until you get it positioned the way you like it, you may have to go to the wrenches a few times.
Read more: 3 smart gyms tested and rated: Peloton, ClassPass and Mirror
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Certainly there are indoor exercise bikes that cost even less than this one, and there are indoor-cycling apps priced well below $40 per month.
However, if you've been lusting after a Peloton but simply can't invest that kind of money, the Echelon EX3 is an excellent alternative. I'm pretty on the fence about what to do after my loaner unit gets returned, which it will shortly, so I definitely recommend trying one first if you can -- or even just taking a spin class or the like to make sure you enjoy this kind of exercise.
Quote from the review:
"While I'm not fully sold on indoor exercise bikes in general, I think Echelon's hardware and ecosystem will please anyone seeking this kind of cycling experience."
If I posted a lengthy review of a Thai restaurant and prefaced it with "I'm not fully sold on Asian food", would you keep reading?
I was mainly posting for people looking for an alternative. Not looking for the scholarly merits.
449 PR on 30 min ride tonight. Love this new lady from the West coast. So much I forgot her name in like 2 hours.
Sending you a PM. I don’t do Peloton but I road bike and I want to see you guys ride on my Strava feed since I’ve only met a handful of people I like to follow in town.
I've hit a plateau right around 300kj/30 min. Can't seem to punch through it. I haven't been able to spend as much time on the bike because of work.
612 kj on a 45 minute ride. Best average watts yet at 227. Wife came downstairs while I was stretching and asked if spilled my water. I sweat a lot.
He may be right but there's also a lot of self fulfilling prophecy when it comes to write-ups like these. Not just with Peloton but with most stuff that has a luxury brand and then cheaper competitors
Big fan of Tunde. Kendal sucks but that butt is outstanding.
Did my 1000th ride today. 45 min 70s ride with HMC. Took longer than I thought to get there but I am glad I still enjoy the bike after almost two years.
Did you get a shout-out for it?
Yeah. I have Groot (my English bulldog) as my profile picture and I know she loves dogs.
Looking forward to hearing the instructor say beer stole their 6pack
It’s about 20-25 min in she even mentions Groot calls him a pelo-pup
1000 rides is awesome. but i can't imagine being strapped in for 45 minutes and being stuck listening to 70s music.
I don’t understand any of this? Why is 1000 rides awful? What’s wrong with 70s music?
haha sorry, meant awesome. that's a huge accomplishment. i personally can't stand disco music or whatever else they'd play during the 70s rides - i need higher tempo stuff - so a long ride of that would be a struggle for me.
Fair enough. It was mostly 70s funk I didn’t mind it much.
So IT Band Syndrome fucking sucks.
Peloton suing that copycat company:
Peloton filing suit vs Ecehlon
Guess the legal budget is getting a boost from the IPO money. Is this the third major suit? Flywheel, music copyrights, and this? Did I miss one? Never heard of Echelon until today.
Peloton Files Suit Accusing Rival Echelon of Copying Business Peloton says Echelon infringes its patents and trademarks Lawsuit claims Echelon built its business on cheap copycats By Christopher Yasiejko
(Bloomberg) -- Peloton Interactive Inc. sued competitor Echelon Fitness LLC, accusing the company of flooding the market “with cheap, copycat products” while waging a false-advertising campaign to undercut its business. In a lawsuit accusing Echelon’s of infringing patents and trademarks, New York-based Peloton said the upstart rival has lied about Peloton’s business and has stolen customers. It wants a federal court in Delaware to put a halt to what it called Echelon’s attempt to “free ride off Peloton’s innovative technology.”
I’ve about worn my shoes out and I honestly hate them. My feet hurt a lot now.
Any suggestions for better shoes?
When I am climbing and out of the seat, my left pedal makes a creaking noise. Any suggestions?
The 1 pair I had before the Peloton were Shimano and had a positive experience.
One of mine was doing that and I loosened the clip in mechanism.
I solved it by tightening the cleat on the shoe
I've ridden every day since Sunday. I feel great. I stopped focusing on output and now I'm working on 1) climbing in the saddle and 2) getting more endurance through riding more. I know if I focus on these things, the PR outputs will come on HITT/Tabata rides in the future.
I need to do this. I set a new PR of 628 on a 45 min. ride with a 3 min arm break, but I was focused on it the whole time and took all the joy out of the ride.
Anyone else have numbness in your toes toward the end of a ride?
Your shoes are likely too tight. I get this sometimes.
Like Emma likes to remind us wiggle your fingers and wiggle your toes.
She can remind all she wants. I'm still distracted by her.
Hit a new milestone today that I am happy about. When I first got the bike I made goals of 30min/300kj and 20 min/200kj. I hit 30min/307kj a few weeks ago. Today on a 90s pop ride with Robyn I cranked out 20min/210kj.
New goals are 350 and 250!
Edit: This feels even better because the PR came after 4 days of previous workouts. My 307 a few weeks ago was a Monday ride when I had a few days rest beforehand.