People are stupid and cars are fucking dangerous

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  1. El Tiburon

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    The other thing I hate about cyclists on the road is that when I see myself approaching one I have to stop playing Candy Crush for a minute until I pass them for fear of accidentally swerving into one.
     
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  2. NDJOECA

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    Good god :laugh:
     
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  3. MA

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    Classic dbl to reframe the issue from
    "If a cyclist is in a car's way it's on the cyclist to avoid getting hit by them"
    all the way to
    "You cyclists with your 'fuck you' attitude thinking everyone should bow down to you."

    Yeah, real entitled/fuck you stuff to not want to be mowed down just because someone couldn't handle slowing down for all of 30 seconds to make a pass.
     
  4. dblplay1212

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    Both have a duty to avoid an accident. I think cyclists should stay out of the middle of the road and I think drivers should slow down and give extra room when possible. It's not all on one side. Neither should be a complete dick. It shouldn't all be on the driver. Putting yourself in harm's way and then blaming someone else when you're harmed by accident is ridiculous. "I'm going to ride the middle of the road and you need to look out and avoid me and idc how much you're inconvenienced." is some entitled shit.
     
  5. Fancy

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    this is sweet
     
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  6. Daniel Ocean

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    the part that it’s still illegal and the part that it’s the same as cyclists not stopping which people itt think is worse than murder.
     
  7. MA

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    1) It's not all on the driver, but cars are a lot more dangerous than bikes so it's a lot bigger deal when they make a mistake or do something bad.

    2) It's not "putting yourself in harm's way" to be riding in a place and manner you're legally allowed to. Even the policy excerpts you posted called out a number of situations in which a bike can be on a road even if there's also a bike lane, to say nothing of a cyclist's right to the road in absence of such a lane.

    3) It's not entitled to think people should be aware of what the traffic ahead of them is doing and able to react as best as possible. That's essentially the most basic responsibility you or I or anyone agrees to when we get behind the wheel.

    4) I can't speak for much the guy in front of you cared about inconveniencing you, but I'm betting regardless of their feelings it didn't actually inconvenience you all that much. And for myself, I try to ride on the road as little as possible, but when I do basically all I'm thinking with regard to cars is, "please don't hit me, please don't hit me."
     
  8. Bo Pelinis

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    I don't give a tiny fuck that it's illegal and I haven't been shitting on cyclists for rolling stop signs.
     
  9. dblplay1212

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    1. Right, so I'd probably avoid a situation where a mistake by a car driver would kill me.

    2. You can hide behind it being legal all you want, but jumping on a bike in the middle of the street is extremely dangerous. Lots of things are legal that are dangerous. Riding a bike with minimal protective gear in the middle of the road with 2000 lb cars is one of them.

    3. Of course, drivers should pay attention and do all they can to avoid accidents. I think the same is true in reverse.

    4. As I said earlier, it's not the slow down that annoys me. It's the fuck you attitude. You don't seem to have that and only jump in the road when it's absolutely necessary. That's fine, I get that. It's those that joy ride in the middle of the lane when there's a perfectly clear 5' wide bike lane that they could use but that's not good enough for them and they don't care about anything but them.
     
  10. Daniel Ocean

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    okay but others itt have?
     
  11. a.tramp

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    To your point #4. You are completely ignoring the evidence I have posted in this thread that your neighborhood does not have a 5’ wide bike lane. But you do you, I and other cyclists are dicks because what you want to be true and what is actually true is something your brain can not or will not attempt to reconcile.

    And as I stated earlier, if what you were claiming was true, I would agree with you to a degree.
     
  12. dblplay1212

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    I'm sorry they don't have an Olympic cycling course set up but it's more than sufficient for someone to ride in. It's just not good enough of you bc you feel entitled to more.
     
  13. a.tramp

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    Your neighborhood has 2 regular lanes, in each direction, on every street that has a so called “bike lane.” I’m sorry that you do not have the mental fortitude to know how to change lanes without having a melty. Someone feels entitled to the whole road apparently.
     
  14. poor paul

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    en·ti·tle
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    1. give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something.
     
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  15. THEBLUERAIDER

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    Share the road. But also, if you are driving/riding (in either a car, bike, motorcycle, moped, scooter, running, tricycle, etc.) at a significant speed below the speed limit, move over so people can safely pass. If you don’t do that, it’s inconsiderate, no matter your mode.

    Jesus Christ
     
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  16. a.tramp

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    And here is the root of the problem. What 99% of motorists consider a safe distance to pass is indeed not. If you are not in the middle of the lane, most will not exit their lane to go around. They will stay in the same lane to pass, mostly without decreasing speed, forcing you off of the road.

    A regular width lane is not enough space for an auto and a bike unless they are both stationary. But the vast majority of motorists think it is because they have not been on a bike since 7th grade.
     
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  17. dblplay1212

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    :magatears:
     
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  18. MA

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    You would and I mostly do too, but that doesn't make someone else a dick for choosing to be there when they're allowed to. And also doesn't make them responsible for the inattention or ill-intention of a driver. If I get mugged in my neighborhood, it's not my fault for being in the neighborhood. It's the fault of the person who mugged me.
    There's a difference between dangers inherent to the activity and dangers that exist because of negligence or malice. An inattentive or ill-intentioned driver can be a danger to anyone on the road, cyclist or otherwise. That doesn't mean no one else should be on the road or it's their fault if they get run into. It just means people should pay attention when they drive and do their best to not hit people.
    If a cyclist were in a situation where they could safely ride in a bike lane and chose not too, I'd probably think they were a dick (though I'm gonna leave myself an out and say that since I don't ride on the road much I'm sure there are acceptable cases I'm not thinking of). And then, if a driver hit them I'd still think it was the fault of the driver. Especially if it were in a neighborhood where drivers should be even more attentive due to the presence of children, pets, etc.

    Kind of the core thing for me is that if you can avoid hitting someone by paying more attention and you don't and then hit someone, it's your fault. Regardless of where a cyclist is in front of you on a road, if a driver is paying attention and not acting maliciously, they won't hit the cyclist. But if a driver isn't paying attention or is malicious, a cyclist could be in the bike lane on the other side of the road and the driver could still hit them.
     
  19. dblplay1212

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    We agree. :like:
     
  20. dblplay1212

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    Do you let your kids play in the street? I don't. If she were hit by a car, sure I'd blame the driver for not paying attention but I also take personal responsibility in limiting her exposure to danger so I don't let her play in the street. I don't put it all on the driver.
     
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  21. Fancy

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    please don’t do this
     
  22. TC

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    Dbl should have to ride a bike to work for a week
     
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  23. Willpépé

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    Looks like I am posting mid crisis. In any event, next home I am purchasing will be on a trail or near some sort of wilderness. I walk/run almost every day until it's pure shit weather outside. I only have a 1/4 mile stretch that is dangerous, but I'd still not have to worry. For the immediate future, it will continue to be my heart rate warm up exercise.
     
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  24. dblplay1212

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    I work from home. :mulletsmug:
     
  25. a.tramp

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    He has done it from the start, she should not have been wearing that.
     
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  26. TC

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    I figured you would say they don't allow bikes on I-95
     
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  27. dblplay1212

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    lol now I'm an anti vax rape victim shamer bc you like you like to play in the street on your bike
     
  28. a.tramp

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    And I am an open carry terrorist, which you implied first.
     
  29. poor paul

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    Playing in the street is not the same as using the street for one it’s intended and designated uses.
     
  30. dblplay1212

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    I never said you were. I used the analogy of the action, never asked if you did or suggested you did.
     
  31. dblplay1212

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    A street with bike lanes is intended to have cyclists in the bike lane, not joyriding in the middle of the road.
     
  32. a.tramp

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    And I used a well known analogy of victim blaming. Are you following now?
     
  33. tjsblue

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    Ignore thread
     
  34. Daniel Ocean

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    again a bike has every right to be on the road
     
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  35. dblplay1212

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    It's legal to have a loaded gun in a home with kids. Do you do that?
     
  36. Funshot Residue

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    I see the debate rages on........so serious question.
    I wonder if there is data on cyclists being struck by vehicles in total, and could there be a subset of #s of those incidents that occurred while cyclists were in the "bike lane" and struck by a vehicle anyways. I'd bet a third of them are, just guessing. Meaning it isn't much safer to be in that lane than the rest of the road. I'd also say that if the inconvenience of having to slow down for bikers for a couple of minutes is your biggest concern, it is you that are entitled and privileged.
     
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  37. Daniel Ocean

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    You’re really bad at analogies.

    I went to an appointment today. I was going to ride my bike but I ended up running late so I took the bus. But if I’d ridden my bike the majority would have been on the street where there are no bike lanes. IIRC It’s illegal (as well as extremely dangerous) for me to bike on the on the sidewalk. So it wouldn’t have been me “playing in the street” or me “joy riding” it would have me following the law.
     
  38. dblplay1212

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    I have no issue with a cyclist being in the road when there's no bike lane.
     
  39. a.tramp

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    I found a bike lane being implemented in Dallas that I would actually be comfortable riding in. It actually has the safety of cyclist in mind and is not just an afterthought to push cyclists out of the way of autos. It has a buffer that includes a physical deterrent. Maybe there is hope yet that we can co-exist.

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  40. Ball Gag Giorgio

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    Area looks pretty rough for 75230
     
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  41. bigred77

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    So annoying
     
  42. a.tramp

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    This is right at the west side of Northaven & 75. Preston Hollow where the tornado ravaged. Still vacant lots, both residential & commercial.
     
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  43. Duck70

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    Bike lanes in Eugene.

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  44. Duck70

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    Oh also in Oregon bicyclists dont need to stop at stop signs if the intersection is clear. Stop signs are treated as yield signs for bikes.
     
  45. Dump

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  46. dblplay1212

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    lol that's half the road. The barrier is cool though.

    Came across this a few days ago. Girl driving couldn't have been more than 12.

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  47. Kent Pavelka

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    indeed I can see how a slower-moving conveyance would be nearly impossible to pass in that densely-trafficked urban thoroughfare
     
  48. dblplay1212

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    My morning.

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  49. Kent Pavelka

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    Is that not a two-lane road?

    I think you’re just jealous of fit people with friends at this point, man. I mean. Your inconvenience bar is low as hell.
     
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  50. blotter

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    sprawling planned communities and retirement communities that are accessed from a main road like that has to be top tier riding from a safety perspective

    bunch of grannies and soccer moms running errands and the occasional dude in a 100k jeep for some reason
     
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