Policing the Left thread: Where Donald Trump makes us defend Austrian economics

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  1. NilesIrish

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    The gay thing was a bad comparison. But it holds the point. Some people are what they are due to many factors and will not change even if they give it lip service.
     
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  2. wes tegg

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    I was addressing your use of "logical" there. Being anti-abortion and pro-death penalty cannot be logically squared.
     
  3. Redav

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    I live around a ton of single issue(abortion) voters. I often wonder, and argue these points with people who defend them, do they know statistics? Do they know a world with the least abortions is one where education and contraceptives are plentiful? How much time/money do they devote to preventing unwanted pregnancies from ever happening? For the people that I know, the answer to the last question is "none" pretty much across the board. How much do they really care about abortion or is it some bullshit they throw out as an answer?
     
  4. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    Shapiro and his ilk are just as quick to slap a label on their opponents as anyone else. Anyone who disagreed with the Iraq War wasn't a patriot. Anyone who argues for universal healthcare is a socialist.

    "Insufficient displays of patriotism among the patriotically correct can result in exclusion from public life and ruined careers. It also restricts honest criticism of failed public policies, diverting blame for things like the war in Iraq to those Americans who didn’t support the war effort enough."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-its-just-as-stifling/?utm_term=.dcd3aabfd65e
     
  5. Merica

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    Why?

    State condoned murder being a penalty for your actions as a murderer can certainly be logically squared with believing abortion is murdering a child who has done nothing wrong.
     
  6. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    The conservative contraceptive argument:

    If you can't afford to raise a child, you shouldn't have sex. And if you are too poor to have sex, well, you should've been born rich like me.
     
  7. Redav

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    They don't give a shit once it's born. Limited social safety nets and long prison sentences await but goddamit you better have that child.
     
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  8. Merica

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    Of course he does. He says hypocritical shit all the time. I can listen to the guy, agree with things I agree with, disagree with others, and form my own opinions on things while considering his input.

    This is my least favorite thing about republican policy. This cycle regarding sex and abortion.
     
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  9. wes tegg

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    No, they can't. They're inherently inconsistent positions. There's a difference between killing and murder. If a medical procedure killing absent of criminal intent is murder, then an execution must also be. You can argue that each is more or less justifiable than the other, but even then you run into pitfalls. Religious people who argue the "innocence" angle are particularly hypocritical (unless they ignore the entire concept of original sin).
     
  10. wes tegg

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    That describes the vast majority of "pro-lifers," but there are a lot of people who do view abortion prevention holistically. There are a lot of nonprofits that address the causes of abortions rather than seeking punitive policy changes.
     
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  11. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Also, they willingly accept that some people will be executed by the state despite not actually committing the crime(s) for which they were found guilty.
     
  12. wes tegg

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    The absolute worst argument is when people start talking about the cost of keeping them incarcerated. By that logic, having a baby is pretty fucking expensive, too...
     
  13. Merica

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    You can definitely argue that one is justifiable and the other is not justifiable. And the argument you're making is based on the technical definition of murder.

    If you think a fetus is a life that has done nothing to deserve death and killing it is murder, then you can still logically turn around and say an adult who murdered another human is worthy of being murdered by the state.

    I don't know why I'm acting like I believe in either of those things though. A 3 week old fetus isn't a child and therefore abortion is not murder. The death penalty is also a holdover from a more barbaric time in our history.
     
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  14. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    You should only have sex if you're prepared to have a child nine months from now.
    And birth control is of the devil.
    And if you watch porn and masturbate you're the devil.

    But God created sex because it's a beautiful thing and He wants you to have it as often as possible.
     
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  15. AlternativeFactsRule

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    But that’s exactly what a logical argument is. Which is his point.

    Facts don’t care about feelings, remember?
     
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  16. Teflon Queen

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    The death penalty is identity politics for people that want to see blacks put to death
     
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  17. wes tegg

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    I've learned that you can argue whatever you want, but that doesn't make it logical. A logical argument can be made as to levels of righteousness, but you cannot make the argument that one is entirely justified and the other is entirely not justified as they stand in the current application. Either way, "murder" is by its nature not justifiable. If it were, it would be justifiable homicide and not murder.

    The "deserving" death thing is illogical, too. Everyone who has ever been born will die. The timing is what is in dispute. So, the issue becomes deserving death now. If you try to justify capital punishment while believing abortion is murder, then you have no choice but to favor the government as an agent of action in determining that timing.
     
  18. Merica

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    What are you talking about?

    My point is that the definition of murder is not universally accepted. Which is essentially what he was saying. If you think abortion is murder, then you can't believe in the death penalty since you should also believe it is murder.
     
  19. wes tegg

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    The definition of murder is universally accepted. Whether or not a particular act fits that definition is undecided. That fact alone is a reason enough to not have a death penalty, but that's a different argument altogether.
     
  20. AlternativeFactsRule

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    The definition of murder is widely accepted. It is in no way a novel legal concept struggling to find its legs.
     
  21. Merica

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    Sorry I should have stated that more clearly. I understand the point you are trying to make and we're just going off on a tangent now.
     
  22. Andy Reocho

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    Well sure. Doesn't mean you're right/will win the argument
     
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  23. Prospector

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    I'm ready for folks like this to die off. There have had ample opportunities to adapt their thinking and evolve. Won't feel bad about it at all, including several of my own family members. They are shitty citizens as well as shitty people.

    Georgia politician publicly uses N-word as Atlanta suburb declares Confederate History Month
    Official in Southern US state offends black city commissioner with sudden racial slur

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    A former elected official used the N-word several times during a public meeting, offending a black member of a Georgia city's board of commissioners.

    The tense exchange between the two men happened on the same day that the Atlanta suburb of Griffin, Georgia, declared April as Confederate History Month. While speaking about the declaration during the public comments portion of the meeting, Larry Mr Johnson, a former member of the board who is white, immediately turned his attention to Rodney McCord, who appears to have been one of two black officials at the table.

    What began as harmless reminiscing of their differences back when they were serving as city officials together quickly escalated when Mr Johnson reminded Mr McCord of a conversation he said they once had about race.

    “I told you at that time that there were white folks, and there were black folks when I was growing up,” Mr Johnson said, speaking to Mr McCord from the podium. “There was white trash - my family - and there was N—town. I lived next to N—town.”

    The comment immediately caught Mr McCord off guard, while the other board members sat quietly.

    “You lived next to what town?” he asked Mr Johnson.

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    And Mr Johnson's matter-of-fact reply: “N—town, son. I'm telling you son, now that changed. I'm no longer white trash . . . ”

    “Hold on a second,” Mr McCord interrupted.

    In the next few minutes, as shown in a public video of the meeting, an agitated Mr McCord tried to express his frustration, while the board's chairman, Douglas Hollberg, stopped him so Mr Johnson could keep talking.

    “Mr McCord, please let him get to the point so we can move on,” Mr Hollberg said.

    To which Mr McCord, with his voice raised, said:

    “He can get to his point, but I'm not going to sit here . . . Maybe y'all are comfortable with it, I don't know. I'm not going to sit here and let this man use that type of language. And if nobody else is offended, then I am. Now if y'all want to clap and think that that's okay for this gentleman to stand, in 2018, and get here at the board of city commission meeting – 2018 – the Civil War is over and he is using the N-word not once, not twice – three times! And he just continues to say it with not one word about who it offends.”

    At that point, Mr Hollberg asked Mr Johnson to refrain from using the racial slur. Mr Johnson then went on to talk about the Confederacy, why he supports the Confederate flag, the Civil War and his Scottish heritage.

    “My skin is white, my neck is red, and I was born in Southern bed,” he said. “Nothing wrong with that. I hope that doesn't offend anybody.”

    He also apologised to Mr McCord, and before leaving the podium, reiterated an earlier argument that the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery.

    Responding to the use of the offensive slur, the next speaker who addressed the board said the lack of respect she had just witnessed does not represent the city she made her home just a year ago.

    “So I propose that we have a list of words that can and cannot be used here at the commission meeting,” Bonnie Moret told the board. “Because if I stood up here and used a four-letter word that began with an "f" and ended with a "k," everybody would be offended. So I think there should be a decorum from everyone . . . just respect other people. Thank you.”

    Earlier during the meeting held last week, the board declared April as Confederate History Month and April 26 as Confederate Memorial Day for the city. In 1861, Georgia seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy, which the declaration described as a fight for “states' rights, individual freedom, and local government control.” Georgia became the last Confederate state to be readmitted to the Union in 1870, several years after the Civil War ended.

    Mr McCord decried the proclamation, saying it sends a message that the city is “willing to offend” its black residents to “make other people feel good.”

    “A proclamation to these very anti-Americans who did not want to be a part of America and now we are going to celebrate – that is the most un-American thing that I've ever heard,” he said.

    Those who supported the proclamation said the objections were based on misinformation and argued that the Confederacy was about heritage, not about racism, slavery or hate. But many historians reject the notion that the war had nothing to do with slavery.

    “In 1861, they were very clear on what the causes of the war were. The reason there was no compromise possible was that people in the country could not agree over the wisdom of the continued and expanding enslavement of millions of African Americans,” Stephanie McCurry, a history professor at Columbia University, told The Washington Post's Philip Bump last year.

    The Washington Post
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...h-griffin-georgia-rodney-mccord-a8290176.html
     
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  24. Guns

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    do aborted fetuses get a free pass to heaven? If so, shouldn't evangelicals be in favor of abortions because isn't that the ultimate goal?
     
  25. Teflon Queen

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    They go to hell along with every glob of miscarried goo
     
  26. Guns

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    that's some bullshit
     
  27. Teflon Queen

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    Hell is where all the cool kids go anyways. What kind of melvin would want to go to heaven with all those cucks?
     
  28. slogan119

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    Won’t speak for anyone else, but I won’t put up with racism, misogyny, Nazism, white supremacy, lack of social mobility and opportunity, reduced value on education, corruption, gun-fueled terrorism and extremism, anti-nature, anti-immigration and penalizing valuable people who have lived here and are “Americanized,” all in the name of tax cuts.

    I abandoned all potential for being a Republican when any pretense of equality was stripped. Now it’s just outward racism and hatred PLUS the greed, and it’s unpalatable.
     
  29. Redav

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    What about abortion?
     
  30. slogan119

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    No prob with making abortion safe and legal. Nor with giving women’s health the due it deserves. Birth control too.

    I wish all the anti-abortion conservatives would push for better/easier adoptions as well as a social safety net as hard as they push to restrict abortions. Maybe even adopt a gew kids, too, rather than bitching.
     
  31. DuckKin

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    Or at least start with free conception and better sex ed. The problem is one side even thinks conceptions and teaching sex is a sin against god and should be outlawed. And dont get them even start with this "free" shit.
     
  32. Blu Tang Clan

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    I never actually posted in the Republican thread, but I was definitely smack dab in the middle. Hell, I voted for Romney (which I regret, though it didn't matter at all). It's not about parties for me. It's about having the common sense and intelligence to realize that what's going on isn't good.
     
  33. Redav

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    Which is what I try to do and why it's humorous when I'm told I'm part of group think
     
  34. New user

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    Fuck. Did I really post in the republican thread? Kind of afraid to look at this point.
     
  35. Blu Tang Clan

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    Yep. If Donald Trump was a Democrat (like he used to be) and did all this shit I'd hate it just as much. And the "groupthink" thing is just laziness borne out of not being able to explain ones point or not having a point to explain. As I said in the other thread, automatically going against the grain is the exact same type of behavior as just agreeing with the crowd automatically. It's coming to a conclusion first and contorting your logic to fit that premade conclusion second.
     
  36. AlternativeFactsRule

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  38. Teflon Queen

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    This is good for here

     
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  39. New user

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    I have like 10 posts in there and self-identified as an independent...good deal.

    If anything, my progression went from "meh I don't really care to follow politics a whole lot" to reading/consuming a ton of information on it daily and finding it hard to think I'd ever vote for a republican in the foreseeable future.
     
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  40. Daniel Ocean

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    And they are stupid
     
  41. ShuPoor

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    Low-key one of the most embarrassing things I've ever read on this board
     
  42. Arkadin

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    :roll:
     
  43. Arkadin

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    So good and so bad for so many reasons
     
  44. ~ taylor ~

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    I was a Republican who realized the GOP was insane. Because I can think for myself. Merica is a water head who is susceptible to fake logic, grasping on to reasons why people don't have to accept responsibility for their own bullshit. Every former Republican posting here ruins his theory that intelligent people will be pushed right by the left, but he can't admit that the people he's apologizing for are stupid, racist or himself, so here he is.

    Also, he still doesn't get that the people he is caping for don't want an economic solution. They want to be told they're better than blacks and browns, and that's who they can blame. Those morons are the new right, not thoughtful moderates pushed right by the left.
     
  45. Lyrtch

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    Imagine being scared to post because someone might reply
     
  46. Arkadin

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    Hurt hurr left full of safe spaces! Ruining America!

    Here's a pm I'm too scared to post my thoughts. People might be mean!
     
  47. Teflon Queen

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    It’s probably Chatch every time
     
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  48. Blu Tang Clan

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    Probably exaggerated or untrue knowing how loose Merica is with superlatives and adjectives. Which would be more embarrassing.
     
  49. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

    joey jo-jo jr shabadoo i saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man

    The Noxious Bloviator attempting to ascribe beliefs to wes tegg only to have wes come in here and correct him was just amazing
     
  50. Teflon Queen

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    Using the most painfully obvious shill in Marco Rubio is the funniest part.