R Kelly continues his downward slope

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  1. NoleNBlue

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    Charlemagne said that exact thing during the show. And I had just mentioned to my wife that this would’ve been handled so differently if either the girls or R Kelly were white, from polar opposite spectrums
     
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  3. Imurhuckleberry

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    Not a single bit of this is a secret or a surprise.
    I actually hadn't. Will consult the Google machine.

    "Criminologist Steven Egger calls the victims of serial killers "the less dead" because they are usually people who have been marginalized -- prostitutes, drug users, homosexuals, farm workers, hospital patients and the elderly.

    "We don't spend a lot of time dealing with missing people who aren't particularly important; who don't have a lot of prestige," said Egger, a University of Houston-Clear Lake professor and former police officer. It's a public failing as well as a police failing, a common belief being that such people take big risks and get what they deserve."
     
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    Apparently this kicked off the viral campaign
     
  5. Talking Head

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    This is why so many serial killers used to rack up huge kill counts.

    It wasn’t because they were evil geniuses or anything, they just killed people no powerful people missed. Homophobia also had a huge part to play.
     
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  6. Bo Pelinis

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    Gary Ridgway had a low 80s IQ and admitted to killing 71 women (mostly prostitutes or runaways) and wasn't caught for like 20 years because of it.
     
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  7. Imurhuckleberry

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    I was thinking about this again this morning. I suspect that there is more than just being "not particularly important" right? At least for migrant workers, prostitutes and drug users they do frequently disappear without anything nefarious going down. I would guess this would have the effects of making an officer less likely to suspect foul play when a meth addict doesn't come home than when a 12 year old doesn't come home. Or is there a different term for that?
     
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  9. Bo Pelinis

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    That also seems to play a big part a lot of time. There's nobody important to report them missing. But there are times when even prostitutes know what's going on but the police don't do anything. See, Robert Pickton.
     
  10. Xander Crews

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    What a god awful take
     
  11. Fudd VanVleet

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    A black conservative friend of mine posted that on Facebook. He posts outlandish shit like this to get a rise out of his Brooklyn friends.
     
  12. TDCD

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    How so
     
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  13. fsudan

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    so looks like we are here to shame another black man for having an opinion, as the meme illustrates

    Great job men
     
  14. Imurhuckleberry

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    Probably also could throw in that certain communities, for various reasons, are less likely to go to the police for help in the first place. either way, fuck r. kelly. There has been a blog for about a decade where they went over his pedophilia, the number of girls who committed suicide after he raped them etc. I used to try to bring this up to people when they were all jamming out to ignition, that he was a fucking rapist etc but, as you can no doubt guess, people didnt want to hear that. This guy is a legitimately up for most evil celebrity in my adult life but he wrote catchy hooks so.... Then one night I saw him on Arsenio Hall (dude still has a show somewhere deep in the cable channels) and Kelly had written a song about "fuck the haters." At the end, Hall and the crowd were congratulating him on "overcoming so much." Just gross. /rant
     
  15. Xander Crews

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    it implies that criticism of Kanye West is not valid just because there are idiots out there that blindly support and like R Kelly.

    Plus Kanye’s act was wearing thin with people long before his Trump support.
     
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  16. Imurhuckleberry

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    It does point out though how we weigh different transgressions when having an unpopular opinion generates more outrage than being a pedo.
     
  17. Xander Crews

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    It’s for sure gross that R Kelly was/is supported by people despite the overwhelming evidence against him.

    But implying that the same exaxt people who hate Kanye are the same people that love R Kelly is absurd.
     
  18. Imurhuckleberry

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    I'd suggest that there is a very large overlap tbqh. It's not scientific but I'd say that most of my friends, the ones who i tried to bring this up to almost a decade ago, were extremely liberal. Many of them have definitely posted their feelings on Kanye but nothing about Kelly so far. Hopefully, this documentary will make it "cool" to say Kelly is a monster but the level of outrage so far is pretty doesn't seem to match up.
     
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  19. Bo Pelinis

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    Sometimes it’s, for whatever reason, a publicity thing. Look at Bill Cosby.
     
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  20. MG2

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    I hate the premise that if people are mad about one thing, they must be equally or more mad about everything else in the world that is worse or else they are a hypocrite.
     
  21. Lyrtch

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    Kanye is in an entirely different stratosphere of cultural consciousness and fame from R Kelly too.
     
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    I'm probably not a great example because I don't pay attention to most non-sports stuff, but I didn't know this R Kelly doc existed until last night when it was over and I saw this thread.
     
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  23. Fusiontegra

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    FWIW, that post is almost exclusively aimed at the black community.
     
  24. Talking Head

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    He’s arguably a cult leader at this point.
     
  25. wes tegg

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    Based on the assumption that people aren't bothered by R. Kelly's and Drake's actions, which is a false assumption... Until we can quantify outrage, outrage auditing is fucking stupid.
     
  26. wes tegg

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    "You can't be mad at this thing until everyone is more mad at this other thing!"
     
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  28. fsudan

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    Libs in this thread think the Kanye meme is so dumb but cannot begin to articulate how. Lyrtch is all like "it's because Kanye is way more famous" :laugh:
     
  29. Bo Pelinis

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    Bored today Dan?
     
  30. Imurhuckleberry

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    I'm not sure that what your saying is the same thing. Like, there are horrible things going on all over the world that are lower on my moral outrage meter because they aren't part of my world. These are two celebrities that are roughly the same fame level/stage in most of our minds. If you are really more upset about Kanye doing Kanye things than you are R Kelly raping children then I'd suggest you have a problem. If you have more of a problem with Kanye than some unknown person raping children in say Laos that would be understandable. does this make sense?
     
  31. Xander Crews

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    Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it Dan?



     
  32. Imurhuckleberry

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    I'm basing it on my personal experience. When i brought this up to people 8 years ago i was pretty discouraged by the lack of give of fuck. Some of those same people now are the one's that ive seen most upset about Kanye. As you said, its hard to truly quantify outrage and personal anecdotes are far from scientific but it speaks to what let this dude abuse girls for so long. It seemed like he was considered to be cool so what he did didn't matter. Kanye got away with crazy shit for years until he went maga. I get what you all are saying but I feel like you can make a comparison of these two situations. Doesn't mean someone is a hypocrite (i mean we all are hypocrites anyways) just what things you can and cannot get away with. As a buddy of mine always names his fantasy teams "Ray Lewis Killed a Guy."
     
  33. Bo Pelinis

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  34. MG2

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    I don't think R Kelly and Kanye are currently on the same level of fame, and context also matters. You can read/listen to what a person has to say about just about anything politically and have a discussion about whether you agree/disagree with it. There's not a whole lot of conversation to be had on a topic like child rape. I think that's pretty universally frowned upon.
     
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  35. Imurhuckleberry

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    One would have thought so but, like i said, this is R Kelly stuff isn't new. It's not a surprise. He literally made a video of him peeing on a minor and knocked Aaliyah up when she was 15. The accusations and the court cases have been out there for years. The fact that we were weren't talking about it and still celebrating his musical skills says something about our pop culture I think. Now that there has been a documentary it will be pop culture cool to pile on and hopefully this dude ends up in prison but it went on waaay longer than it should have.
     
  36. Imurhuckleberry

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    This. I can't call it in this he said/she said but it seems a bit over the top to have retired both numbers after this.
     
  37. wes tegg

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    So, anecdotes. Cool.
     
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    A couple of years ago I did some volunteer work with a substance abuse center to help people w their resumes. This one chick I worked w was a drug dealer in her past life and said one of her customers was in R Kelly's crew. She'd deliver to his parties and said the shit going on there was crazy. All these orgies in the bedrooms w super young looking girls.

    Sounded like a Cosby situation where everyone knew but no one spoke up.
     
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  39. wes tegg

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    He was tried and acquitted. Obviously, many people were complicit, enabling, and worthy of disdain, but it’s just not true that “nobody even cared until the documentary.”
     
  40. Imurhuckleberry

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    when all you have is anecdotes are you just supposed to ignore everything? I'm not looking to publish a paper here just present my experiences. If that isn't enough to affect your internal narrative so be it.
     
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  41. wes tegg

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    The point is that auditing public outrage is pointless and stupid. It's an inherently individual and subjective exercise. All we can rely on is our own feelings as to whether or not something is being talked about enough or too much.
     
  42. Imurhuckleberry

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    hold your hypberbole. didn't say "nobody" but certainly many people were aware and, like the lady in the interview from coachella, chose to look the other way. the court of public opinion lagged way behind on this one and enabled him to keep on with the abuse.
     
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    This is an unusual amount of backlash for a pretty harmless tweet.

    I see other ‘anecdotal’ tweets posted here all the time without anyone batting an eye.
     
  44. wes tegg

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    This post is meta as fuck.
     
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    Thank you
     
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  47. wes tegg

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    Change "nobody" to "not enough" and the point remains.

    I don't disagree that not enough was done to stop him. I also agree that the public should have been more outraged from the outset. That still doesn't mean that the posted tweet makes any kind of point.
     
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  48. Imurhuckleberry

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    It's almost like one of those "Me thinketh thou protesteth too much" moments.
     
  49. Imurhuckleberry

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    can it be less of a point and more of commentary? that it "seems" like people are more engaged in hating on the opposing tribe than they are hating on legitimately evil people? I think we all do this. I mean, im sure Xander Crews is a decent guy but he went to UCF so i get more enjoyment out of watching Boo MFer! tweak him than I do things that are way more important. I'd even suggest the level of aggression and high concentration of fallacies coming at Dan about that tweet would tend to support that we are more emotional about our tribal shit than we are about what Kelly did.