Red Rising Series Thread (Red Rising, Golden Son, Morning Star). thread may contain book 3 spoilers

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  1. Kevintensity

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    So Jackal just killed pax.
    "Cheat or be cheated."
    Mustang is going to flip on ol Darrow isn't she.

    Edit: welp they just revealed she's the jackals twin sister. I had a thought a bit ago that they may be siblings.
     
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  2. laxjoe

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    SIAP. Was perusing Goodreads and saw this

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  4. Thoros of Beer

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    fuck i preordered it and thought it came out later this summer
     
  5. Truman

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    I think originally it was, but was pushed back like every single fucking book Im excited for
     
  6. RegimentML

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    It was originally scheduled for August
     
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  7. ukcats8

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    Can't wait
     
  8. Blackterno

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  9. brrrrStickem

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    10 days away from having Iron Gold! Getting excited! Any updates on the movie? Can’t find my thing new.
     
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  10. ukcats8

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    Preordered as well. How long was the turnaround for the original trilogy? Hoping he can crank them out once a year.
     
  11. brrrrStickem

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    Original series was release in January of 2014-15-16 if I remember right. One of them may have been February.
     
  12. Thoros of Beer

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    i preordered this a long time ago and totally forgot about it
     
  13. One Knight

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    Have about 40 pages left in Golden Son, Morning Star is sitting on my shelf waiting, and Iron Gold is releasing in 4 days. Life is good.
     
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  14. Blackterno

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    Iron Gold out today!
     
  15. Illinihockey

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    Purchased, waiting at home for me on my kindle
     
  16. jkun

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    60% through, has made me really want to go back and re-read the first 3 books
     
  17. The Blackfish

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    I finished it a few days ago. It was on part with the first 3 books imo.
     
  18. Gritty Badger

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    Iron Gold was awesome, great job moving the story away from Darrow to avoid fatigue
     
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  19. Illinihockey

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    Finished Iron Gold and really enjoyed it. Sets up a lot of great story lines going forward. Has he already announced a tentative date or name for the next book? I assume this will be another trilogy.
     
  20. ukcats8

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    Finally got around to Iron Gold. Brown is a great story-teller, and Iron Gold was a great continuance of the first trilogy. I was a little put off by the new POV characters, but it shaped up nicely by the end.

    Traveled a lot for work, so most of my "reading" was via audio-book. Tim Gerard Reynolds as Darrow is a notch above the other POV narrators, but I also grew to love Lysander's reader. I think Ephraim and Lyria were less interesting characters in general, but the narrators were also lower quality as well, imo. I especially hated Lyria's narrator. The constant "whine" was over the top. Anyone else listen to the audio-book?
     
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  21. Blackterno

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    Started reading Iron Gold today. Looking forward to this.
     
  22. The Blackfish

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    I did and I very much agree. Darrow and Lysandre were great narrators and Lyria annoyed the hell out of me. Not sure how much was the character and how much was the narrator, but the narrator’s whiny voice definitely didn’t help
     
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  23. Fabulousthundercock

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    Just read the first book right after reading a book called Sapiens, which discusses the evolution of society, including early tribal life from the hunter gatherer period.

    Pretty impressed with the authors portayal of how people Naturally form together. Wonder if he read Sapiens.

    Almost feel like this book was a Game Of Thrones to the Hunger Games' Lord of the Rings. (That's not not to say that the quality of HR is similar to LotR, just the target audience).

    Will read the others.

    Would rather a tv series be made out of this, but that'd probably be too expensive. While there is a lot of action for a movie, the story's real intrigue are the decisions the characters make and the consequences that domino from that (ex. GofT, Breaking Bad, the Sopranos).
     
  24. Gritty Badger

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    It is going to be a TV series and not a movie
     
  25. Truman

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    Not anytime soon. Brown just got back the rights and now exploring tv options. Hasn’t even been picked up yet.

    I think something is announced relatively soon. He’s been coy about it.
     
  26. Illinihockey

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    Not every awesome book needs to become a mediocre TV show
     
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  27. Truman

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    The budget needed to do this right would be astronomical
     
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  28. Thoros of Beer

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    so Diomedes definitely saved Cassius and is protecting him, right?
     
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  29. Thoros of Beer

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    Doing a reread after zipping through Iron Gold. That first book is so fun.
     
  30. Illinihockey

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    Would be shocked if Cassius is dead
     
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  31. Truman

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    After Sevro's 'death' you cant be sure on anyone.

    I hope Cassius is dead though. Makes for a more interesting story
     
  32. ukcats8

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    Dislike :( Cassius is/was my fav. Agree with you though. His "death" allows lysander to become a "villain" in the plot arc. We get the POV of he and Reaper clashing imo.
     
  33. Illinihockey

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    It was just so anti-climatic, there's no way Cassius story ends with him passing away on an operating table off camera, or whatever you call it when its in a book and not on TV
     
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    True, but it could signal the shift from it being Cassius' story to Lysander. Hope you're right though, and Lysander is just playing the part for survival. My guess at the "twist" is that he leads against the rising, but then cassius pops up alive. Then some conflict about his mentor or his beliefs, etc. Then he flips back by the end. Shit wording and speculation, but could see it. Brown crafts good stories though. Can't wait to see which direction he takes the story in.
     
  35. Thoros of Beer

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    Okay some rambling thoughts after doing a reread. These books are perfect for television. Tight storylines, great inflection points for end of episodes or end of seasons. The dialogue isn't as quick witted or deep as Game of Thrones, but the storytelling is better, in my opinion.

    I think HBO is the only one that could pull it off (talent, budget, reputation) and do it justice. The first season would be relatively cheap compared to later seasons (less space battles and battles in general) so the upfront investment wouldn't be as much in the event that it fails. I think it would be a worthwhile investment for HBO considering the talent, youth, and consistency of the writer (both in terms of output timing and quality).

    I think you could split the first book into two seasons due to the necessary world building and introduction of characters. Maybe end the first season with Darrow left to die by Cassius in the snow at the Institute. Second season building his army and taking Olympus combined with some things that you don't see happening in the books due to the first person narrative. These books don't have near as much fat or expendable characters to cut compared to Game of Thrones, which makes it harder for the showrunners to screw up. And holy shit could you put together an awesome cast for these characters.

    /shower thoughts
     
  36. Thoros of Beer

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    Didn't even realize the next book, Dark Age, comes out in September
     
  37. Illinihockey

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    I think you could get the first book in one season. I think you could easily collapse the first 150 pages into two episodes at most.
     
  38. Truman

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    I cant remember exactly what happens in the first 150.

    But Episode 1 is everything up to EO getting hanged, Darrow getting hanged.

    Ep2 is him waking up and getting spliced together, training as a Gold.

    Then the rest of the book is the season.

    Then we have a few seasons, the last book never comes out and we constantly get little novellas about the rise of the Sons of Aries instead of the last book.
     
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  39. Illinihockey

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    Pretty much everything up to him getting hanged. It was really slow and had I not known the book really picks up after that point I might have set it down.
     
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  40. Thoros of Beer

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    I think they will go away from the first person narrative, thus more material. As long as it Brown coming up with that material that isn't "on screen" in the book, I'm fine with it.

    I couldn't remember what happened in the first part either, but after reading it again I think it's going to take a bit to world build and explain why things are the way they are. It's totally novel in a way that GOT is not. GOT has castles and knights and lords, which have all been done before and even non-book readers understand those concepts and dynamics. The colored hierarchy is something new altogether and how did it become to be that way?

    Anyway, something on a TV show is coming soon per Pierce Brown's Twitter (can't believe he's only 30, btw). Hopefully HBO, and if not them, maybe Netflix? Amazon? Anything less than a premium or streaming channel won't capture the violence.
     
  41. Illinihockey

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    You could probably do that with a 5 minute prologue at the start of the first episode sort of like they do before the Fellowship of the Rings. Problem is that ruins the twist that Mars is completely colonized but you could change the script a little and not need to twist for the story to be effective.
     
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  42. Truman

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    Syfy has done a surprisingly good job w The Expanse. But you can see the budget limitations too.

    For instance if RR was on Syfy I dont think you'd see the physical difference between the colors, which is a huge point.

    In the Expanse, the Belters are supposed to be like 8 feet tall and super elongated because of growing up in low gravity. Instead they just have them all tattoo'd up to show the difference.

    CGI-ing the height and size difference between the colors every week would be a huge built in expense, before even the setting on Mars and elsewhere in the galaxy.
     
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  43. Thoros of Beer

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    Yeah and whoever gets it might cost cut by doing 8 episode seasons rather than 10
     
  44. Thoros of Beer

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    Yeah the best would be to have everyone duped until Darrow sees it for himself.
     
  45. Truman

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    Then again, Amazon paid 1B each for rights to Lord of the Rings and Three Body Problem.

    So just do that for this, pls.
     
  46. Illinihockey

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    Game of Thrones is almost over, makes perfect sense for HBO to pick up RR.
     
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  47. Thoros of Beer

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    I'm glad Brown didn't whore out his books to Universal, apparently they had some pretty terrible changes that he disagreed with
     
  48. Thoros of Beer

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    And who knows how long it will take for the two GOT-world shows they have in development to get to the screen. Avoid GOT fatigue and introduce a new world.
     
  49. Truman

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    Idk who he optioned it with, but im pretty sure it was w a studio, and the option ran out.

    I remember reading an interview and he mentioned he got the rights back is looking into other options. Which now seems to be TV, thankfully
     
  50. Thoros of Beer

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    It was Universal. Apparently after Valerian failed Universal lost the will to bring it to screen.

    Sidenote: I appreciate how he doesn't go into deep detail on how certain characters look. I can imagine that the disparity between the way people picture the main characters is quite large.