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  1. AlternativeFactsRule

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    People do drugs because they make you feel good. If you can make people feel good without the drugs, they’ll be less likely to turn to them.
     
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  2. Bo Pelinis

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    But it’s hard to get out of that idea that people who do drugs are scumbags or have some character defect. A ton of it is environment and put anybody in it and they’ll be susceptible too.
     
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  4. CaneKnight

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    If you get a chance there's a good article on Portugal who decriminalized years ago and have seen good results. They talk about why full legalization would be better a little bit in the article. It's long but worth the read.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...licy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
     
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  5. Bo Pelinis

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    I point to Portugal any time I have a decriminalization discussion. It’s been a success and the war on drugs has been a failure yet we keep doing the same shit. The only thing I can figure out is it’s some sort of morality thing.
     
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  6. CaneKnight

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    If nothing make sense just follow the money and that typically tells the story.
     
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  7. mb711

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    You wouldn't be going to jail if it was just decriminalized. Are you just saying that doctors should be prescribing all of these drugs, because that wouldn't be "legal" as I'm taking it, as mentioned by Bo Pelinis mentioned above they already prescribe pills that are very similar to heroin/meth.

    I don't disagree(and completely agree with your 2nd part). I just don't think an open "dispensary" type place for crack/heroin/meth is great for general society. Even just a straight up legal/free market/regulated dispensary for(already heavy regulated) opiates/adderall/etc. would be a scary situation(as we've seen in the past couple of decades with actual doctors prescribing).
     
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    I don't like decriminalizing things because that just results in the cops using it as a way to scam money out of people with fines and shit. Full legalization also allows for better regulation. I think your brain is taking legal to some strange places. They put a limit on how much advil you can get in a store via your ID. Like people aren't going to be handing this shit out on the corner. Would you be able to buy Molly in stores, yes. Would you be able to get your hands on some heroin if you can get your doctor to approve of it sure why not, but you're not getting it in a store and if you do get it in another way no ones fining for it or even bothering you about it.

    I will add that I couldn't give less of a shit of someone wants to do heroin. In a country where we sell literally any weapon you can think of that kills other people to the general public, people get all weird about selling hard drugs to adults if they want it.
     
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  9. Redav

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    Legalizing and regulating it at least makes the product safer and less likely to be sold to kids. Also maybe look into why so much of the population has a problem with drug addiction. Don't just try to manage the symptoms.
     
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  10. Bo Pelinis

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    Debilitating poverty and drug use often go hand in hand you say? Better punish the drug use instead of addressing the poverty!
     
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  11. Bo Pelinis

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    But back to my original point that a legal American market would kill the cartels and help with humanitarian issues related to drug trafficking across the border and in border towns
     
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  12. Redav

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    It's interesting how much of all of it is connected. We had a "problem" with cartels and drugs coming in from Colombia so better start the war on drugs. But oops all you've done is moved the cartels into Mexico and now we need a wall to keep the drugs out. Nothing ever gets fixed
     
  13. NCHusker

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    Makes you wonder if maybe reactionary politics are bad
     
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  14. CaneKnight

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^ Literally every Republican
     
  15. Blu Tang Clan

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    Legalize it but sell it for a premium. But yeah, I don’t have much of a problem letting adults buy hard drugs, especially when alcohol (which causes more problems than any hard drugs on a macro scale) is so easy to obtain.
     
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    the Republican policy also allows a free flow of high powered weaponry to flow down south and keep the Narco Wars going
     
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  17. AptosDuck

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    Just make everybody Bama fans

    As a Cal fan I can only assume that being a fan of a team that wins shit makes people feel good
     
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  18. IV

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    to build on this from personal experience I’ve been on construction sites where dudes ran from ICE or whatever feds where chasing them. This thing is a whole bullshit setup for underpaid labor, and in construction it’s even worse because you really can’t hold a GC accountable for their subcontractors hires.

    that’s why I’m all for immediate path to citizenship (become a citizen in a minute or less with this 1 easy trick!)
     
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  19. Daniel Ocean

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    Lol
     
  20. Daniel Ocean

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    it’s dehumanizing.
     
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  21. Daniel Ocean

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    FWIW remember who you’re arguing with and what he did to someone who his friend.
     
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  22. kinghill

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    Why do all republicans keep going on and on about gas prices?
     
  23. The Banks

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    Because they are disingenuous and know their supporters are morons.
     
  24. CoastalOrange

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    Yep, this has been the most recent talking point I've noticed in my day-to-day life. And somehow, the massive storm in Texas and the Gulf has nothing to do with it. Nor does the fact that demand is going up as more people are driving as more and more people get the vaccine (not including the seasonal demand of spring and summer).
     
  25. BWC

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    Your party is trying to do exactly this to millions.
     
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  26. Tobias

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    i missed this story
     
  27. BudKilmer

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    Cliffs please
     
  28. IV

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    Feel like this article is relevant to this whole conversation

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-in-alcoholic-liver-disease-among-young-women

    Sharp, 'Off The Charts' Rise In Alcoholic Liver Disease Among Young Women
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    Maria Fabrizio for NPR
    For many years, Jessica Duenas led what she calls a double life. She was the first in her immigrant family to go to college. In 2019, she won Kentucky's Teacher of the Year award. That same year, Duenas typically downed nearly a liter of liquor every night.

    By the time she was 34, she was diagnosed with alcoholic hepatitis, a serious inflammation of her liver that doctors warned could could soon lead to irreversible scarring and even death if she didn't didn't stop drinking, and quickly.

    "I couldn't keep down any food," Duenas says. "My belly was supersensitive, like if I pressed on certain parts of it, it would hurt a lot. My eyes were starting to get yellowish."

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    Cases of alcoholic liver disease — which includes milder fatty liver and the permanent scarring of cirrhosis, as well as alcoholic hepatitis — are up 30% over the last year at the University of Michigan's health system, says Dr. Jessica Mellinger, a liver specialist there.

    The pathway to that sort of liver disease, especially severe versions, varies from person to person, liver specialists say, and can be exacerbated by obesity, certain genetic factors, and underlying health problems. Drinking a glass or two of wine — even every day — is unlikely to cause this sort of liver damage in many people, the experts say, though it's possible.

    binge drinking, even if less frequent, can also be damaging.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not yet compiled data on any overall increase in hospitalizations from alcoholic liver disease since the pandemic began. But, Mellinger says, "in my conversations with my colleagues at other institutions, everybody is saying the same thing: 'Yep, it's astronomical. It's just gone off the charts.' "

    The damage can be lethal. Survival rates for alcoholic hepatitis and cirrhosis vary but can be as low as 10% in the most severe cases, research suggests.

    In the U.S., more than 44,000 people died of alcoholic liver disease in 2019. And although liver diseases still affect more men, younger women are driving the increase in deaths, a trend that began several years ago and is now supercharged by the pandemic, says Mellinger. "We're seeing kids in their late 20s and early 30s with a disease that we previously thought was kind of exclusive to middle age," she says.

    can become a threat for women more quickly because their bodies process alcohol somewhat differently than men's.

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    Women have also borne the brunt of many new pressures of pandemic life, from virtual school and increased responsibilities at home, even as ads and pop culture have continued to validate the idea of drinking to cope: Mommy Juice, Rosé All Day, Wine Down Wednesdays. On top of that, eating disorders and underlying trauma from physical or sexual violence often add fuel to the fire, fanned by social isolation.

    "Whether this is early life sexual trauma or they are in a recent or ongoing abusive relationship, we see this link very, very closely," says psychiatrist Dr. Scott Winder, a clinical associate professor at the University of Michigan who treats patients with alcoholic liver disease. "Just the sheer amount of trauma is really, really tragic."

    Alcoholic liver disease is complex because it isn't just one thing; it's the physical manifestation with roots in emotional and psychological distress. Successful treatment needs to address both, Winder says, but usually doesn't.

    He calls that a "tragic gap" in care. A patient discharged from the hospital with alcoholic liver disease is often motivated to get psychological help but frequently can't find outpatient care until weeks or months later, he says.
    "The cultures of hepatology and the cultures of psychology and psychiatry are very disparate; we see patients very differently," so physicians aren't coordinating care, even when they should, he says.

    For patients with advanced liver disease, that often leaves no options for curative treatment. Some need a liver transplant to survive, but they won't qualify if they're still drinking.

    "Unfortunately, transplantation is finite," says Dr. Haripriya Maddur, a hepatologist at Northwestern University. "There aren't enough organs to go around. What it unfortunately means is that many of these young people may not survive, and die very young — in their 20s and 30s. It's horrific."

    Facing death frightened Duenas, who is now 36. She says after her doctor told her she had alcoholic hepatitis, she thought: "My secret's out."

    She made multiple attempts to curb her drinking but ended up consuming ever more and became despondent.

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    "I felt so terrible about who I was as a person because of my addiction that I just threw myself into everything else to make everything else look good," she says.

    Duenas checked herself into rehab on New Year's Day in 2020 for four days. Her liver began to heal. And when the world went to pandemic lockdown last March, she attended recovery meetings on Zoom.

    Then, on April 11, she discovered her boyfriend — who had also been in recovery — was relapsing on heroin. Two weeks later, she and the police found him dead in his apartment. Though he and Duenas had talked about marriage, he'd died from an overdose just after his 42nd birthday.

    Duenas relapsed, hard.

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    Jessica Duenas on her 36th birthday in February of this year.

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    "The next eight months are such a blur," she says — eight hospitalizations, a major car wreck, and repeat stints in rehab. Duenas describes herself as normally politically active. But the last year passed by in a fog. She only vaguely recalls hearing about news in rehab: protests over Breonna Taylor's shooting; Election Day.

    Last November, she says, she completely surrendered to the changes she knew she had to make. She quit her beloved job to focus on recovery, and her last drink was on Thanksgiving Day, she says. Days later, she wrote about her long-held secret in the Louisville Courier-Journal: "I'm Jessica, I'm the 2019 Kentucky State Teacher of the Year, I'm an alcoholic and I've been suffering in silence for years."

    Hundreds of people wrote back — mostly women describing experiences like hers.

    "What I've noticed is quite a few of the women, typically, they were either educators, they were moms or they happened to be nurses or attorneys," Duenas says. They poured their hearts out about the crushing and constant stress of kids, work and home life.

    They also vented about pressures from beyond the home. "Imagine being a teacher who gets evaluated on how your students do, given the situation today," Duenas says. "I mean, that makes me want to drink for them, you know — like that's a terrible pressure to be under."

    Duenas says she's since heard many, many other stories like her own. She has started interviewing them and relaying their stories on her website about recovery, www.bottomlesstosober.com.

     
  31. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Blech. "People are drinking way too much. Doctors must make it stop."

    "Doctors aren't coordinating care for these patients"

    Sorry for the little asinine aside here, but come the fuck on, NPR.
     
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  32. Fudd

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    u take that back

    u take that back right now
     
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  33. CaneKnight

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    Can’t address the issues, obviously doctors and people are the problem
     
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  34. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    I'm a doctor, my wife's a therapist. She asks me all the time "why are you working to get your patients into therapy programs? That's their job to figure that out" and I don't really have a good answer, except it's abundantly clear to me that a lot of people do, indeed, expect their doctors to fix their lives, and sometimes it's hard to draw that line.

    Makes it all the more frustrating every time there's a popular press article titled "Look at this burgeoning health crisis that doctors aren't doing anything about"
     
  35. CaneKnight

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    You're a good person trying to get them into therapy programs though. Much respect your way, we kinda all need some tbqh.
     
  36. Mister Me Too

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  37. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    yeah, well-warranted concerns about poorly regulated, boutique rehab facilities.

    I'm talking more about regular ol' outpatient chem dep or co-occurring disorder psychotherapy. Which is in tragically short supply. Addiction medicine is great for some things. Meds can only be so helpful for people with severe alcohol dependence, though, and they don't work at all if no one takes them.

    And DBT is only helpful for those who schedule an intake and follow-up.

    Lack of access to CD treatment is a tragedy in this country. But in the end (trust me, I hate how fucking republican this sounds), the only way for someone to get sober is for them to decide they have to. There's no doctor or therapist or army of doctors or therapists that can will it for them.

    Can speak only for my region, but around here, I'd say for every tragic, untimely death due to alcohol, there's a lengthy trail of medical and mental health professionals who earnestly tried to help as best they could.
     
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  38. Daniel Ocean

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    him and six seconds outed Acheely (sp) on here (and I believe IRL) because they thought it would be funny. Him not understanding the power of words and what it means to dehumanize people isn’t shocking. Getting into an argument with him about inclusion is a fool’s errand.
     
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  39. AlternativeFactsRule

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    She’s wrong. It literally is your job to help those people.
     
  40. IV

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    My father-in-law hit rock bottom and has been stone cold sober ever since, the worst part about the disease is the best cure is rock bottom and even that doesn't always work
     
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  41. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Yeah, the point she's sorta tangentially making is their buy-in starts with their willingness to investigate therapy options in their community.

    But of course I'm not just gonna say "go get therapy hth gbr nfm"
     
  42. ~ taylor ~

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    Having empathy beyond what can be billed is increasingly strange to many people.

    Edit: I see what you added and understand her perspective, but still agree with you helping then past hurdles.
     
  43. BellottiBold

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    The GOP is the organizing entity responsible for a literal insurrection but when their members are called to appear on the "mainstream" news they are asked to opine on policy matters as if every one of them shouldn't be rotting (and "forgotten") in prison awaiting trial. But yea - "liberal bias."

    Fucking hell I hope we can all agree to live on the same plane of existence at some point before I die.
     
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  44. Fran Tarkenton

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    Yesterday's 2 Republican policy initiatives were Opposition to the Violence Against Women Act and this

     
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    Meanwhile they will lobby for vouchers so unregulated private schools can teach theocratic moralistic deism
     
  46. Redav

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    Critical Race Theory is cancelled
     
  47. Redav

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    Defenders of "free speech" - :tumbleweed:
     
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  48. Owsley

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    This is way, way off fwiw. There aren’t enough licenses to supply demand, certain people (minors, undocumented immigrants, etc.) aren’t able to purchase from dispensaries, and black market weed is much, much cheaper. The black market is never going away.
     
  49. Bo Pelinis

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    Fair enough. But if it were legal nationally at worst we’re likely talking about the same sort of black market as alcohol.
     
  50. Owsley

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    I believe there’s also been some discussion of a potency cap if legalized at the federal level. If that happens, the black markets will start getting even more business.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to derail things.
     
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