we dont know much about the Vegas shooter and its already causing insane conspiracy theories imagine knowing the media or the government was intentionally suppressing it
And the names of minors aren’t typically released because they’re juveniles. Nikolas Cruz was 19, so that doesn’t apply. Harris and Klebold were at least 18 I’m pretty sure, and the Sandy Hook killer was in his 20s. The Texas kid was 17, which makes him subject to prosecution as an adult.
OK, so it's not strictly anyone under 18 is considered a juvenile and has their name protected, it's based on whether or not the person can be tried as an adult?
I think it depends on the state, parental consent and other factors for the 16 and 17 crowd but juvenile criminals as young as the Noblesville shooter almost never have their information released regardless of the crime. At that age they are literal children and, theoretically, they can be saved and turned around with appropriate care. Odds are that the Noblesville kid did it out of passion — simply because children that age typically operate on impulse and emotion, not out of cold, calculated planning. The problem was that kid had access to firepower at a time when he was feeling vulnerable and angry. It comes back to easy access to guns.
Yep. Certainly easy access to guns is a huge problem... but so is whatever is making this kid even think to shoot up his school. Remember... Kids had access to guns in the 70's and 80's. Hell out in rural parts, kids even had shotguns and rifles in their vehicles at all times for hunting after school, yet we didn't have these school shootings so often then.
It’s like anything else — things just evolve. Everything that’s happened in this world happened for a first time at one point. And its hardly as if mass shootings or school shootings never happened before 1999. The first school shooting of note, Charles Whitman at the University of Texas, happened in the 60s. Three years before Columbine there was a mass shooting in Scotland. But instead of saying “herp, derp, Second Amendment” like we do they were proactive about gun control. And like the last time you brought up the idyllic 70s and 80s, I’ll remind you that crime rates are down across the board now compared to then. Every period of time has problems — the Good Ol’ Days aren’t a real thing. Also, we have way more guns now than we did then. Gunmakers produce weapons at a far higher rate than they are destroyed.
The 70s and 80s also had a lot of airplane hijackings and more serial killers . The 2040s (provided we make it) will probably have other crimes we haven’t thought about yet.
And like the last time you claimed crime rates are down across the board, I'll remind you that violent crime rates are actually about the same as they were in 1970, but not before they rose steadily to an all-time high in the mid 90's
Yeah, not sure you’re reading that correctly or you’re changing your argument on the fly . If you said “1970” then you’d be correct, but you said the 70s and 80s, which clearly have higher crime rates, and crime rates that rose steadily into the 90s. The “school shooting” era saw rates drop steadily until a few years ago, where they’ve leveled out.
So what is your correlation there between a drop in crime rate coupled with a rise in school shootings?
Also, before school shootings in (mostly) white suburban areas you had drive-by shootings in (mostly) minority areas that were the epidemic. Youths killing each other is an age-old problem; it’s just happening in different areas for different reasons.
More guns, easier access to them, easier to fulfill self-destructive impulses and it seems as if it’s the “trendy” type of mass shooting. It’s the cycle, like the spread option offense in college football instead of the wishbone. Mass shootings aren’t new; they just happen to be at schools more now.
No. Being able to get away with crime undetected is what leads to crime increases. Most people commit crime to not get caught, not to just see the world burn. Problem with youth crimes like school shootings are many of them are committed on impulse with no regard to 15 seconds down the road.
It was definitely more planned than the Noblesville one but still a “watch the world burn” crime, which plays into my point (and also why I specifically used the word “many” as opposed to “all”). He wasn’t exactly Daniel Ocean or Michael Corleone. Where we moving the goalposts to next?
pretty tough read on the officer who was blamed for not responding in time https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4e693b38637_story.html?utm_term=.a18152235cf5
I mean I'm ok with him feeling like shit for posting up on a wall as a shooter roamed the school he was paid to protect. I'm not saying that he could have prevented it or saved any lives, but he could have tried. That was his job, afterall. The whole thing shouldn't have been blamed on his though. That was just an easy out for some instead of taking actions on gun control.
He didn’t know, and no one was there to tell him, and he remembered reacting in those first seconds by doing what he believed he had been trained to do: taking cover in a tactical position so he could clear the area. He leaned his back against the wall of an adjacent building. He took out his gun and scanned the surrounding palm trees, the courtyard, the windows, the parking lot and the roof.
Interesting that you left this part out. He didn’t know where the bullets were coming from, dbl, and he was doing what he was trained to do. Hindsight is 20/20; if he runs into the building and the shooter is sitting in a tree picking kids off as they run out of school, he’d be lambasted for that too. It’s hard to defend what you can’t see. “He remembered standing for the next several seconds with his back against the wall, scanning the area around the building for a possible shooter. Trees. Roof. Windows. Courtyard. Trees, roof, windows, courtyard. He could see much of campus from his position, but he couldn’t find a shooter. He remembered staying in place because he didn’t want to expose himself when he didn’t know where the shots were coming from. He remembered feeling certain the gunshots were coming from somewhere near or inside the 1200 building, but where?”
i believe they said by the time he arrived outside the 1200 building, there was 40 secs before the shooter had made it to the next floor. once he makes it to the next floor, its really impossible to blame him because between searching for a sniper position, calling it in, entering the building, locating the shooter, etc those 40 secs fly by
Haven’t read the report but he was certainly the fall guy for that slime ball Isreal who knew all along what he did but waited to release it until after he was done grandstanding at the panthers arena vs the NRA Sucks for the deputy but Israel was going to let one of his guys hang out to dry before he accepted any responsibility, probably why he is in the situation he is in now with his department
Right, he was more worried about self preservation, not exposing himself, than he was actually finding the shooter. He didn't change positions to try to find him. He just stayed in place. Look, I'm not saying I'd be some hero. I don't know what I would do. But that's why I don't take a job like that. I'm not going to cash the check if I don't know I'd do the job if required.
I don't know if he could have done anything that would have saved any lives. He didn't even try though. He just found cover and stayed there. I'm not blaming him for the deaths but I'm ok with him feeling like shit for not even trying to do anything.
he seemingly did what he was trained to do and suffered from some bad miscommunication. its pretty fucked up that the president and media and administrators are not looking at why he was ever even in this position to start with but instead vilifying him because he wasnt rambo
I agree that it's sad that many have focused on him rather than gun control. He's an easy out for them. Isn't he kinda paid to be Rambo in that situation though? Hell one of his other guards went in unarmed. Meanwhile he hid behind a wall.
Is it? What did he do? Call in what he was hearing on a radio? You're ok with the one guy on campus with a gun hiding behind a wall and calling in info for other people that will actually go to the building once they get there?
what part of he had no idea where the shots were coming from and was trying to locate them are you not understanding
He retired with full benefits to continue watching Fox News and fetishize the gunman as a hero culture that plagues this country. It sucks that he became the scapegoat for people that don’t want to talk about gun control, but he failed at the specific job he was hired and trained to do. Instead of all of us seeing his failure as an indictment of the job description and a glaring weakness in the idea of “a good guy with a gun” solving our gun problem, we just attack his manhood and demonize him.
I never got the impression Peterson received much of the public backlash, let alone all of it. Edit - national public backlash... I have no idea what’s going on in Broward
Yes. Kind of. But only because that’s what the public thinks they are getting. It’s absurd to expect that that will be reality though. I would like every day police to try and be peace officers instead of Rambo. Save that for SWAT teams (and make SWAT officers full time).
Are you living under a rock? https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/trump-deputy-sheriff-florida-shooting/index.html