Season 5 - The night is dark and full of Spoilers [book readers thread]

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  1. coffee

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    For tv, it's smart writing. Not a single non-reader I asked had wondered why they didn't sail around the Wall. Conversely, they all appreciated the tension of Jon waiting on the gate to open.
     
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  2. Lawnole23

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    This is my point. Who gives a shit if they could have sailed around? Why does thus matter in the least bit? Watching them walk up the wall is much better television than them sailing around.
     
  3. jorge

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    Do you really think Littlefinger doesn't know about Ramsey? That was clearly and act.
     
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    apparently they said after an episode that show-Littlefinger didn't know about him. they said in the show Ramsey's reputation is not well known.
     
  6. jorge

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    I refuse to believe this.
     
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  7. zeberdee

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    it seems like whenever B&W write something stupid in regards to a character this is their out, to just say it's different in the show.
     
  8. jorge

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    If they had just kept their mouth shut it would have been fine. I assumed it was an act on the part of Littlefinger.
     
  9. coffee

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    Why? The northmen didn't even know about him.

    When Roose said he'd send his bastard to retake Winterfell, it's not like Robb or his bannermen said, "No way, that kid's a psycho."
     
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  10. Sir Phobos

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    I want a fight in season 6 where a bunch of midgets with nets and spears coated with poison crawl out of a swamp and massacre someone. then I want Howland Reed to give us some goddamn exposition.
     
  11. zeberdee

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    actually everyone in the North knew after he forced Lady Hornwood to marry him and then locked her in a tower.

    Rodrik even set out specifically to kill him, but Ramsey switched clothes and posed as Reek.
     
  12. UA412

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    Was actually Cogman that said it.

    The writer producer also confirmed that, for those suspecting Littlefinger might have known about Ramsay’s sadism, that Baelish was definitely ignorant of the situation. “The difference between the Ramsay Snow of the books and the show is the Ramsay of the show is not a famous psycho,” he said. “He’s not known everywhere as a psycho. So Littlefinger doesn’t have the intelligence on him. He knows they’re scary and creepy and not to be folly trusted and it’s part of a larger plan.”
     
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  14. coffee

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    I'm talking about the show.
     
  15. zeberdee

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    well Winterfell was the first time we knew anything about him in the show. obviously they don't flesh out characters the same way the books do.

    it's more about Littlefinger and the way he values information, whether it be in the show or the book. he doesn't make a move blind. especially not when that move involves everything Sansa means to him.
     
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  16. Neyland

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    I know I am late on this but I didn't know there was ASOIAF fan fiction.
     
  17. Sir Phobos

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    1)is a show, movie, or series of books at least moderately popular?

    if yes, then there is fan fic
    if no, then there is still probably fan fic

    I bet there is some damn foul slash out there for this series given how many characters there are out there.
     
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    Yeah, and they think Theon is responsible for the sacking of Winterfell. There isn't any reason for Littlefinger to suspect Ramsey is crazy.
     
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    Doesn't Littlefinger tell Sansa or someone else that he's successful because he takes crazy risks?

    I wouldn't put past Littlefinger to set up Sansa there even if he knew about Ramsey. I wouldn't put anything past him.
     
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  24. CUZ28

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    my guess is that if they're gonna do a dornish "plot", doran is gonna plan to get the marriage going then kill tommen which would make tristayne the ruler of the seven kingdoms.
     
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    I'm actually surprised he didn't insist on the marriage occurring before releasing Myrcella. I wouldn't want to leave that up to the Lannisters
     
  26. zeberdee

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    no it wouldn't.
     
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  27. CUZ28

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    why wouldn't it? sure, myrcella would be the one with the claim, but her husband would actually rule.
     
  28. Pharoh

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    my guess is he was saying it would go to Cersei
     
  29. zeberdee

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    I mean they could claim that Myrcella was queen but you can claim anyone as long as you have the strength to back it up.

    in the line of succession though, you're wrong.
     
  30. zeberdee

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    it would be a mess with no other living Baratheon heirs. technically it would be Stannis, but we know they're not going to just crown him.
     
  31. coffee

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    Yeah, I'm fine with having a problem with Littlefinger being so cavalier with his best bargaining chip assuming he didn't know anything about Ramsay. I just don't think it's crazy to accept that Littlefinger didn't know about Ramsay in the first place; Sansa and Robb didn't, and they'd know far more about individual northern lords than Littlefinger, regardless of how much he covets information in general.
     
  32. coffee

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    Robert Arryn marches on King's Landing with the full force of the Vale and the Riverlands. He was slowplaying everyone all along. :awesomeface:
     
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    there is fanfiction about absolutely EVERYTHING.
     
  34. CUZ28

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    technically, stannis is a traitor and rebel. he is out.

    myrcella would have the best claim to the throne. especially given that she has the potential to birth male heirs that would be descendants (as far as most people think) of Robert.

    edit: stannis also refers to shireen as his heir. how can she be his heir and myrcella (secret bastardy aside) not be robert's if joff and tommen are dead?
     
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  36. zeberdee

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    you go ahead and tell me the last woman to sit the Iron Throne.
     
  37. UA412

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    Most of the houses go by this:

    Andal Succession
    A daughter before an uncle.

    It is the same as male-preference cognatic primogeniture. Pretty much all Houses with the exception of the Dornish and Targaryens follow Andal succession laws. In this form the eldest legitimate son inherits followed by that son's descendants. A daughter can inherit if she has no living legitimate brothers, and those brothers have no heirs. A younger sibling inherits only if his elder sibling died without any descendants.
     
  38. CUZ28

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    Tell me the last time there wasn't a male claimant
     
  39. UA412

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    Well if you believe dany's claim, right now.
     
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  40. zeberdee

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    obviously we're dealing with hypotheticals, but do you really think they would crown Myrcella and then she would be pushed aside for Trystane to rule as king? wouldn't Myrcella still be the one ultimately in charge?

    it would all come down to who had the power and support, but your notion that Trystane would marry Myrcella and automatically become ruler of the Seven Kingdoms is what I think is silly.
     
  41. two

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    But Jon Snow
     
  42. UA412

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    Is a member of the nights watch that may have just died.
     
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  43. CUZ28

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    Lysa arryn, lady hornwood, Sansa, arya, the karstark girl, etc are all highly valued marriage prospects because their husband would rule over their wife's lands.
     
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    Until he's reborn as Jon Targaryen, first of his name
     
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  45. zeberdee

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    big difference between lands and kingdoms. families don't end dynasties that easily.
     
  46. CUZ28

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    its hard to consider the baratheons a dynasty since they've only been around since aegon's conquest and the house was started by marrying the sole female heir to house durrandon.
     
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  47. zeberdee

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    I'm talking about control of the throne. you think the Lannisters/Baratheons are just going to give it up to the Martells?
     
  48. CUZ28

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    with stannis a traitor, the only other baratheon is a female.

    the lannisters only claim is through myrcella. if they don't support her, they have no claim.
     
  49. zeberdee

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    you're missing my point. no point in arguing this any further.
     
  50. Hank Scorpio

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    Isn't he a bastard regardless since Rheagar and Lyanna weren't married? I can't see a Lannister Baratheon held throne legitimizing him, so he'd have to take the throne by force and some how figure shit out with Dany, or just marry her I guess.