Husbands that marry into a royal family do not have any claim to the power bestowed upon their spouse. Check out Prince Philip for example. He's an even bigger joke than the rest of the royal family. You don't even get to be called "King" The Lannisters would claim Myrcella to be Queen and would work against that faggit as they worked against the girl with the weird face and nice body.
People are going to feel weird when the series ends with Jon marrying his aunt. But luckily Olly is going to spare us that awkwardness.
I agree with you but Thormund is the guy who led the group that did it to his parents. Id probably feel the exact same way, especially at 12. But i agree, fuck that little shit.
I've always assumed that he married her since the King's Guards finest stayed at the ToJ to protect her. I mean Rhaegar could have just told them "guard my bastard and my mistress while I go off to kill the usurper" but I'm sticking with the former.
the modern royal family is nothing more than a tourist attraction. not sure how thats relevant. and yes the lannisters would claim myrcella as queen. that's the point. and yes they'd work against trystane just as the tyrells work against the lannisters to control tommen. but in asoiaf world, in every instance we've seen of a man marrying a woman who holds the claim, the man effectively rules. it is a society that places men above women. why should we expect anything else?
Yeah, Tyrion was on pace to become Warden of the North when he was married off to Sansa. Women are subservient to their husbands in all of Westeros with Dorne being an exception
Kinda funny that dornish aren't that type of people usually based on their laws of succession and history.
i guess i could put this in any thred, but this is the one I like the most... anyway, why doesn't breanne have a last name, other than "of Tarth"? Isn't she a noble?
her last name is Tarth. she is from the noble house Tarth. I'm guessing Brienne "of" Tarth just sounded cooler to GRRM.
Trystane would be king but the politics of Kings Landing means the Lannisters pretty much would retain power, if they played their cards right. It would still be beneficial for the Martells to have Myrcella crowned. Their children would be Martells and either way it raises the standing of the house.
Without Tywin and Kevan, how would the Lannisters be able to retain power? Tyrion is the only one smart enough to keep the Lannisters in power, but too bad his sister wants him dead.
meereen it is hes sent there after myrcella dies to try and marry Daenarys a la Quentyn I think that ship has sailed after this season, but that whole Doran plan to dominate is too important to skip imo
I thought one or both were already married at the time. I flew through the books so I'm probably forgetting a lot of details
Spoiler I know, I know, there are plenty of reasons to assume that this is the case, the best being that the Kingsguard knights, especially Ser Gerold Hightower, are there. On the other hand: What kind of Septon would have married Rhaegar to Lyanna? Ser Gerold could have been told by Rhaegar (and Oswell/Arthur) that Lyanna had married Rhaegar, and that their child was a royal prince. Or Rhaegar could have simply commanded Ser Gerold to stay at the Tower - Oswell and Arthur were Rhaegar's friends, they would have stayed anyway. We should also keep in mind that the whole Tower of Joy scene is a dream sequence, heavily restructured and re-imagined by Ned, which could essentially mean that the whole 'Where were you.. I looked for you at...' dialogue never actually occurred. TRP and TPatQ seem to confirm that the Targaryens did not practice polygamy after Maegor. This is especially noteworthy since the Targaryen dragons should have made the kings and princes from Jaehaerys I until after the Dance powerful enough to defy the Faith in this matter. And I know that some people are entertaining the idea that Daemon Blackfyre may have intended to take Daenerys as second wife, but the thought that he could have gone through with that is ridiculous. If we assume that the continuation of the incestuous marriages and/or Maegor's decision to take more than one wife caused the Faith Militant Uprising (first against Aenys and then against Maegor), then it would be highly unlikely to assume that the Prince of Dragonstone and the Heir Apparent to the Iron Throne of Westeros could take a second wife whilst Princess Elia was still alive. Sure, Rhaegar could (and would) have done it in secret, but that's exactly my point in the question above - what kind of Septon would conducted such a marriage ceremony? As far as we know Rhaegar had no septon friends, so my guess is that any septon he would have approached in this matter - it would have to be a septon close to the Tower of Joy or wherever in the Riverlands Rhaegar captured Lyanna - would have been forced to officiate at the ceremony. He would also have been aware of the fact that neither the king nor the queen were informed about this whole thing or had given their consent. As to polygamy in itself: I don't think the Faith knew the concept of polygamy at all. When the Aegon and Maegor practiced it, they did so without special permission by the Faith (I'm pretty sure Aegon I married his sister according to Valyrian custom on Dragonstone, and Maegor most certainly did whatever the hell he wanted, at least after he became king), which would mean that the Faith never formally allowed this kind of thing. This, in turn, would mean that the Targaryens could not really Aegon's and Maegor's multiple wives as a precedent for polygamy (at least not for polygamy permitted by the Faith of the Seven). In that regard, it's clearly telling that the Targaryen kings after Maegor never tried to take more than one wife at the same time. If he had believed he could get away with it, Aegon IV would most certainly have married each (or at least some) of his mistresses. In conclusion: How likely is it that Rhaegar was truly married to Lyanna? And if you believe that they did marry, how do you think came it to pass?
All it took for Tyrion to get married was a drunk septon. Hell, someone officiated the service between ramsay snow and lady hornwood against her will. I don't think finding a septon to perform a marriage for the fucking prince and a presumably willing lyanna would be all that tough.
While I don't think finding a septon would be an issue, it's probably easier to force a marriage in the north since they don't follow the seven, except I think the Manderlys. 1) I was speaking in hypotheticals, for the purpose of pointing out the fact that when a man marries the monarch they don't assume full power. 2) I was referring more to the show than the books, but points taken.
idk if this got answered but the major spoiler she was hinting at was Spoiler stannis is alive at least that's what i think she was going ape shit about
Didn't she say something along the lines that she might go ahead and reveal the major spoiler coming in episode 10? I may have read it wrong though.
Correct. House Manderly follows the many feast God, the many faced god's more rotund and jovial brother.
yeah but i just assumed she meant that Spoiler stannis was alive , bc i remember her saying that in one of the tweets
She was butthurt because by saying Martin told them Shiroast was happening, it means Spoiler Stannis survives the battle to go back and do the deed
There was discussion a few pages back about the unsullied being bitches and not being there to protect Dany in the pits. Just a thought, but is it possible in the show there are many who joined the sons of the harpy, explaining the discrepancy in numbers for the fight before drogon showed up? Giving greyworm feels last season would make it plausible. I don't remember enough about the sons of the harpy from the books to remember who made up their numbers. I dazed off quite a bit when reading those chapters.
I think people are upset because a fighting force that appears to sort of resemble the Spartans in tactics and lifelong soldiery professionalism has thus far been mowed down in situations in which they should be at an advantage. They've appeared to be more like the Star Wars storm troopers than an a professional army. *professional isn't the right words as they were slaves, but everything about their existence revolved around combat and war...
My showfag friend said the same thing. He was talking about them running away and screaming when they got stabbed, but they'll stand there and let someone cut their nipple off.
My guess is they fuck shit up whenever Dany begins her march. (Assuming the whole battle of Mereen deal isn't going to happen)
I was hoping they would show parts of the siege of Mereen but wouldn't make much sense for television. It would take way too long and likely cost way too much money to render all these different armies. I assume it will be Jorah, Tyrion and Daario dealing with the Sons of the Harpy.
I doubt they do the Sam/Citadel story, odds are that Sam will find something in the library at Castle Black that will make him go and find Dany.
It seems they are cutting out the Citadel story right out, which one would think Marwyn is gone as well, my thinking is that the show will have Sam replace Marwyn in the books.
In a perfect world they would cover the Citadel, but at this point and time I doubt they would. The White Walkers army is more advanced in the show than in the books, it would be very hard to explain sending Sam to the Citadel to become a Maester, while the White Walkers are marching south.
I think theyve been alluding to too many Oldtown/citadel hints this season for them to leave it out. I think Jon will send Sam down there which causes him to lose his only friend on the wall and his last bit of protection. On top of that (spoiler next season casting news) Spoiler theyre casting Sams dad, mother, brother and sister so unless their whole family travels, I bet we see Sam drop of Gilly at Horns Hill
That does make sense and I assumed it would happen, but seeing how close the White Walkers are (in the show) to marching south it doesn't seem like it would make a lot of sense for Sam to travel to Oldtown and make it back in time to fight the White Walkers.