That's my assumption of how you resolve the Euron storyline. He joins or does. And given the other agreement in place, I'm guessing he dies
Cersei has always been the main villian. Didn't understand why people kept asking who was next after Ramsey died. There has to be a conflict between Jon/North and Dany after she takes the rest of Westeros. Can't see him bowing to a new king/queen or her seeing accepting anything less than the entire kingdom. Plus then there's the whole rightful ruler aspect. Her whole life it's all she's ever believed and been told. No way she steps aside easily
Wait, you think that in 8 episodes, Dany is going to sweep into Westeros and everyone is just going to join her? Lol, no. Dany is there to conquer and she's going to have a helluva fight to take Kings landing, Casterly Rock, and the Stormlands. She will fight her way up from Dorne/Highgarden and the Others will breach the Wall and there will be an epic final battle somewhere in the northern Riverlands or southern part of The North.
Except that Jon is not fighting for the Iron Throne - he understands the larger threat to the north and will also likely understand that Dany is a critical ally in that battle. I think the issue will be convincing Dany that facing the threat of teh Night's King and his army is more critical than who sits on the Iron Throne.
I don't think Jo is going to really challenge Dany for the Iron Throne. He reluctantly became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. He reluctantly now became the King in the North. I don't think he's going to really fight hard to become King of Westeros. Dany has the stronger claim to the throne anyway as the direct descendant of Aerys.
Dany doesn't have the stronger claim if Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar. I feel like we go through this every offseason
Is guess I don't remember these arguments. Can you explain it to me? Just looking at it, I would think that Dany as an actual heir of Aerys would have the claim over the bastard son of Aerys' firstborn.
Cercei doesn't really have allies. Varys rallied Dorne and the Reach to Dany's side already. Cercei has the crown army and the maybe the Lannister army depending on how her relationship with Jaime plays out. The Riverlands are going to be in disarray, the North will be busy with the white walkers and Littlefinger will throw the Vale in with whoever is most likely to win (probably the side with 3 dragons), if he doesn't stay in the North with Jon and Sansa. Cercei is doomed. She has no friends or allies, and her own brother is likely to turn on her.
Well, yeah. Of course Cercei is doomed. "It is known". It's like Ramsey dying. We all knew it was going to happen, but just how great is the defeat going to be? Can't wait to see.
It's dependent upon whether or not Jon is a legitimate Targaryen, but Rhaegar's legitimate son has more of a claim than Aery's daughter
Prominent theory (and my personal belief), is Rhaegar married Lyanna and made sure there was something out there which proves it and makes Jon a legitimate Targaryen and not a bastard. ALL the book evidence says Rhaegar and Lyanna loved one another, and he was also obsessed with the "dragon has three heads" prophecy. He wouldn't let his third born child be a bastard, if possible. When it comes to succession, the last surviving legitimate son of Rhaegar would hold the claim to the throne over Dany, Rhaegar's sister.
No way there is a Dany/Jon conflict because there is Tyrion. He is cool with both so he will talk them into marrying each other. Jon will rule the North and Dany the south and anytime she wants the d she will fly north on Drogon
Well she's always been a cold bitch, but she is pure evil now. I think we'll see more Septa torturing, along with others who Cersei sees fit to torture.
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. At this point I don't think anyone cares if he's a bastard; he's preferable to whats going on in King's Landing. Also, remember a recurring motif is that the smallfolk do not give a fuck who the king is. Thats why it doesn't matter if the average character has proof of Jon being trueborn or even his lineage.
I couldn't remember for sure either, but if it's going to become a big enough reason to kill a major character like Sansa (or someone else) they will need to start bringing it up early next season. Without Mel being around Jon I'm not sure where that would come from.
I partially agree. The people wanting to support Jon will not care, but the people who want to fight him claiming the throne will demand proof. I think it's going to come down to Dany more than anyone else. Does SHE believe he is Rhaegar's son? If so, and she's willing to submit to his claim, then nothing else will really matter. When it comes to the books, I think they could certainly end up marrying if both survive (they most likely won't). With that said, when it comes to the show, I can't see D&D trying to sell the show audience on their hero marrying, or even hooking up with, his Aunt. It's just a difficult sell to the general viewing audience. I feel like the show will tie things in a neater bow than the books when it comes to an endgame. Also, this was posted in the TV Thread. I thought it was incredibly well done:
People who would bring up his claim weren't going to support him anyway. The claim itself doesn't matter, except maybe with Dany. I agree I don't know how they are going to handle Jon+Dany if thats going to happen. Maybe that's why they are keeping it vague?
that's why I qualified it by saying that if Jon is the legitimate son, he'd have the stronger claim. that being said, Dany has her khalasar, unsullied, the iron islands, dorne, the reach, and her fucking dragons at her back. However, the iron throne is meaningless compared to the real enemy
Just struck me how convenient Bran's latest vision was. Flashing back to ToJ did nothing to further his own storyline and only existed to make a big reveal to fans. Kind of odd. Is bran controlling that vision and going back there purposefully because he didn't get to see Ned ascend the steps last time? Is he capable of that now?
I think that's what they were going for. He needed to be able to go to the visions he wants to see rather than just wherever he ends up. So going back to a previous vision intentionally is a good step in the right direction.
I think it's a carrot stick issue. Jon IS The Song of Ice and Fire. Bran's visions are leading him to what needs to be known for that to come to fruition. It's why I believe we will see a lot more visions of Rhaegar and Jon's heritage next season, leading to whatever happens between him and Dany.
Why is she "pure evil" now? She did what she had to do to preserve herself and preserve her family (getting tommen out of sept mind control). She even tried to rally the Tyrell house to her side before she blew everything up. This was her last option. She's a selfish bitch who only cares for her self and family, but there is a rhyme and reason to all of her actions.
she just killed hundreds of innocent people for her own self-preservation. just because you have a reason doesn't mean you're not evil.
You're right, forgot about that part. She has heard that it's her families birth right all her life and since the whole mother of dragons thing, she sees it as her destiny. Jon won't be going after the Iron Throne but he will protect the North from an invading conqueror. Dany will want all of Westeros. At some point they will have to join forces to face the greater threat but no way she just waltzes in and they become allies without conflict first
Yeah I wouldn't say evil = lunatic. You can have justified reasons for being evil, and Cersei seems to think she has them.
Jon/Dany marriage is gonna happen. She just left her lover behind so he wouldnt fuck up any potential marriage and really who all is left that gives her the most? Tyrelles- Nope he dead Dorne- He dead too Tully- Bitchmade is already married Lannister- "Nigga killed my fatha" and dont see her marrying Tyrion Vale- Varys aint gonna let that happen Iron Islands- Yara on her squad and lolnope The North- Oh hey we got Westeros most elgible man who also will bring her the North and get rid of any potential disputes over claims
I think he's just saying that Varys will not let Littlefinger have any hand in this. If Dany and the Lord of the Vale marry, then Littlefinger will have his hands all over the Iron Throne.
I just remembered some fan theory explaining that if Tommen died, Cersei has a plausible claim to the throne (ignoring all the Jon/Dany stuff that's irrelevant at this point in the story). Very prescient.
My view of the sept was religious fanatics wanting power and control over the throne. I saw it as a war that they were winning in the form of mind manipulation of the King and the masses. Her son, the King (and a child), was being manipulated by extremists. She did what she had to do to end it. Maybe I'm off base but that's how I viewed it. It's not as "evil" as things she has done in the past, to me. If Cersei blows up an army of soldiers and their followers trying to seize control it's consider a war victory. Just as it was when they burned Stannis' ships.
She's in the throne because she is in Kings Landing and has the largest known army. She doesn't really have a claim to the throne
Killing hundreds of non-violent people because you don't like their ideals is about as evil as it gets. What did she do previously that was more evil than that?
There's got to be something more than Dany riding to Westeros and joining Jon to defeat the Others. That's too easy.
I hope whoever kills Littlefinger says "Stop talking like a fucking idiot knockoff Batman" before they do it. In the show only obvs.
I think there will be some severe speed bumps, but it will eventually happen. I think Dany's fleet will get crippled but Euron and Jon will lose Winterfell to the Others (and a large portion of his forces) and be forced to head south.