The look after she sent Brienne away says she's up to something. She knew she should keep her there but has something schemed and wants to look weak. Maybe they let LF stage his coup to figure out which northern lords can't be trusted then her Arya and the little bear slice all their throats.
I'm convinced the three Stark kids are playing LF based solely on Sansa's "...the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives," line in the season 7 trailer.
I hope it something like this but has the show ever really kept the audience in the dark like that before?
there's undoubtedly a feeling that LF's days are numbered, if they let the audience in on the plan it would kill the suspense surrounding how it will happen. when the "if" leaves the equation you have to lean on the "how".
But still a secret plan between all 3? Seems unlikely, i mean how well could Sansa pull it off? I would think it's more likely that Arya is simply playing LF at his own game, both using Sansa as a pawn until he shows his hand, then
I think it is Sansa using Arya to get rid of LF. That almost had to be the play otherwise Sansa learned absolutely nothing and is essentially worthless
I'm actually kind of floored at the number of people that think/thought Arya and Sansa are seriously fighting and it's just a nothing plot.
I agree, Sansa probably playing LF to show that the student surpassed the teacher. All the Starks children have gone off and became key players in what they set off to do, Sansa should be doing the same otherwise she's being wasted.
Beric had a lot of flaming sword action in this particular episode. Is that blade actually on fire or is it special effects magic? It’s not CGI at all — it’s a real sword. There are two swords and they can only burn for two minutes. Sometimes, if I was in the middle of a fight and I was moving too quickly, the sword would go out! We’d have to cut and everyone would reposition themselves. When there was a very strong wind or if it was snowing heavily, it was hard to keep alight. Would you light the sword yourself? Sometimes I do the lighting myself and sometimes I call upon the Red God. [Laughs] If I were watching the show, I wouldn’t want to know [how it’s done] because I wouldn’t want to spoil the illusion. When Beric and Thoros ignited their swords for the first time in the episode, I couldn’t help but think of a Jedi activating a lightsaber. Do you ever make lightsaber noises when you’re fighting with your flaming sword? We don’t need to! The lightsaber makes those “woop woop” sounds, whereas when you’re standing close to that flaming sword, it already roars. Every time you moved it and the wind caught it, the people standing nearby said it sounded like it was growling! And when we were doing the sequence towards the end where I was swinging the big arcs with the sword, people actually thought they heard it moaning. Believe me, it’s way cooler than a lightsaber.
"Hey we have these five guys surrounded by our army of thousands of dead people. Let's wait two days then attack them by slowly trickling pieces of our army towards them." Makes sense
Just made me think... Why didn't the NK just pick them all off with those spears? He definitely has the arm talent.
You idiot. Those were surface to air spears. The giants were obviously bringing the surface to surface spears but took a wrong turn.
I keep going back and forth on whether or not I think that's the case. I think Benioff and Weiss would have said something about it in their post-episode commentary thing if that was their intention. It would offer a better explanation of some of the more "convenient" things that happened in the episode but I just don't know if the show really has that much depth anymore.
Rewatch: overall good ep; some tv moments but some of you have become GOT hipsters sansa/arya stuff was weird but everything else for the most part good stuff dragon things and such
Has it been talked about that they were in the land of always winter and the ice was like an inch thick? The wall is hanging out miles south and is fine but we're to believe in global warming in Westeros? To the point where (a) during the winter in (b) the land of always winter, stuff is going to melt? I haven't read much of the thread since Sunday but skimming it, it seems like I have a lot of the same criticisms. But the water not being frozen more than an inch down is something small that's bugged me since the ep aired.
my problem with this all being a plan made by Arya and Sansa to get to LF is why would their conversation in private be so tense if they were working together?
Yeah makes sense that it cracks/breaks with ~100,000 wights on it but it shouldn't have with just Jon an co.
Yeah the ice/lake thing was pretty dumb. Especially when you consider than in the books Stannis has his entire army on a frozen lake and he's south of the wall marching on Winterfell
They don't want to sink, it's the same reasoning they didn't go after Jon Snow when he got on the boat at Hardhome, it's consistent with how they treated it in the past.
Speaking of plausibility, someone on reddit actually did the math and for it to be even somewhat plausible they would have had to be out on that lake for 5 days. Also, Dany and her dragons would have to travel at 175mph. Obviously the ridiculous number is the Dany/dragon speed but, hey, dragons aren't real so that's where they found the room to just make a number fit.
What a ridiculous number. I did the math and got them only needing to travel at 33.33 (repeating of course) mph.
Here is the article http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-season-7-timeline-beyond-the-wall/ Also love this quote from him Basically the show is so popular we aren't all that concerned with the logistics
GRRM has done the same shit in the books. People travel at impossible speeds. He made a continent that is too big for the timeline he's developed. Everyone getting to places way too fast is always been a problem on the show/books and will always be a problem. I'm not sure why we're still complaining about it. If you're going to be mad because a raven flew at 3.4 times the median raven velocity based on raven time trials then this isn't the show for you.
I agree with you, but we also have to be mindful that the core audience of ASOIAF are the exact type of people who care about median raven travel speeds. This kind of stupid bitching is par for the course.
I haven't read the books in years but I recall a lot of the battles of the 5 Kings having entire Armys traveling huge distances very quickly. The book threads also have people complaining about the distances. Been years since I've read any of those threads though.
I guess I'll take your word for it. I don't have any issue with people pointing out inconsistencies on the show though. we have a whole board dedicated to the story there's plenty of room for complaints if that's how people want to go about discussing the show. we all have our own personal standard for the story. (not calling you out personally, just saying)
There's a reason that the joke started of Littlefinger having a helicopter because of how quickly he moved around in the books.