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Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by 34, Jul 4, 2016.
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It's possible to think the writing has taken a major step back while still enjoying the show fyi. This isn't a binary situation.
Oh for sure.
I get annoyed with the posts that say things like "It's a show so I treat it as a show!" or "Why do we care about travel times in a show with dragons?"
If the writing has plot holes, nonsensical character motivations, deus ex machina out the ass, and just logical nonsense, I think it's fair to call it out even if I enjoy the show in spite of those things.
Also I like how they finally unneutered Jaime. It's a sham what they did to him the past two seasons. 5 years of growth only for him to become Cersei's bitch for two years.
I don't disagree at all. And on the flip side of that coin I also get annoyed with posts that at this point are trying to find ways to claim "bad writing" when something makes perfect sense given the context of the plot.
Understand that, and I don't think it's been perfect. It just seems like one person said it originally and had a valid point and then everyone else took the phrase and used it for every scene they didn't like.
Jesus Christ dude. Playing catchup on this thread and half of the last four pages is you complaining. Just stop watching the show.
On Jon being named Aegon:
Is it possible Rhaegar knew original Aegon was dead? I ask because when Dany saw him in her vision, he was holding Aegon soon after birth saying he was TPTWP. If he knew Kings Landing had been taken and his first two kids murdered, it makes some sense that Jon would then be TPTWP in Rhaegar's eyes and therefore get the same name.
Rhaegar was dead before KL was sacked
There's some really bad opinions in here
Cersei:I'm not sending our army to fight with foreigners
Also Cersei:Euron is going to get the Golden company
It gets tiring when people devolve into complaining and most of the criticism has become pedantic and redundant.
If Cersei's smart she hunts down Jaime. Have to assume he's heading for Winterfell and he now knows her plan.
Would be poetic if it's her not being ruthless enough that brings her down.
Jaime's character development is great. He's an arrogant asshole who is completely humbled when he loses his hand; even though he does not always outwardly show it. He then learns from, respects, and even platonically loves Brienne. It all opens his eyes to everything and he comes full circle to being a "good" guy. He still has his faults such as with Cersei, but his redemption story will be great.
He'll kill Cersei or something and die in disgrace as a king and queen slayer, but it would all be for the greater good.
Ahh. Maybe he knew it would get sacked and this was the last chance to have TPTWP?
I don't know. I try to exhaust all options before complaining but yeah if not that, having both of your sons named Aegon doesn't make much sense.
I'm sure there's some sort of explanation.
Something else I saw regarding the NK setting up Dany to bring the dragons past the wall (and this may have already been discussed ITT) was that they had precisely 3 of those ice spears presumably for each of the dragons.
What if Rhaegar killed his family to stay with Lyanna?
Can't wait to rewatch tonight.
Sansa and Arya with LF, Dany's entrance to the pit, Jon's background officially revealed, NK at the wall, Targs being Targs, Jamie going against Cersei, Hound and the Mountain, and so on
don't even care about travel time
In the Bran and Sam scene, Bran is explaining the Tower of Joy and who Jon's parents are but then says he's a Sand. Then comes the reveal of the marriage and it cuts back to the ToJ and shows Bran watching the conversation where Lyanna says his name is Aegon Targaryen. How would Bran have missed his name the first time he went back to the ToJ?
The show has been hugely entertaining this season but in a less satisfying way. I'm incredibly entertained still, because there are some stakes back. It hasn't felt like that since the War of the Five Kings or maybe Hardhome.
I blame it all on the fact that they basically put the show in neutral for 2-3 seasons trying to let GRRM get Winds out. Now it's clear he's never going to finish it, and they have to kick everything into overdrive to wrap it up.
Everything from the Red Wedding to Jon's resurrection could much more easily have fit into 14 episodes than what they're trying to do now. Season 7A and 7B should have lasted 3 seasons, and seasons 4-6 could easily have been done in 14 episodes without as much stalling.
Because we don't know how his green seeing actually works. I don't think all of history is just downloaded in his brain. He may have to specifically look for it. Even if it is in his head maybe has to specifically try to access it.
The real reason is that it's a television show and they wanted to delay that scene for dramatic effect.
The golden company is made up of exiles and sons of exiles, so she's only half contradicting herself?
She does refer to Dany as a foreign who're and she was an exile
Also, Rhaegar looked too much like Viserys
As soon as I saw him I wanted to punch him
Didn't he rape Cersei on Joffrey's corpse after returning to KL with Brienne? I wouldn't consider that a "good" guy at that point.
I think Dorne still has some part to play
Just seems ludicrous to completely ignore them with their vast army if everyone truly believes the entire continent is at stake
no way. they'd have to introduce a whole new set of characters.
they're supposedly introducing the golden company next season
Hard to say what they knew. The dialogue is pretty ambiguous.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered. “Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell. “When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.” “Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells
You don't need to choose.
You're a Greyjoy and you're a Stark.
So I realize he's a member of the Second Sons, but he's a sellsword and it just makes way too much sense: Daario is almost certainly going to arrive with the Golden Company, right?
Yep. That's why he didn't know Jon was legitimate even though he knew he was Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. He has to know what he's looking for before he can see it/find it.
The way it was written is weird.
"Jon's last name is actually Sand."
"Well, I read in this diary..."
".... Jon is Aegon Targaryen."
I didnt like the Sand part
everyone knows Targ bastards are Blackfyres damn it
he was born in Dorne, it doesnt matter if he was a Targ Bastard
That line was still stupid because Ned let it be known that Jon was born in Dorne, him being born outside of WF should not be news to anyone.
We don't really know who's ruling Dorne, Highgarden, Storm's End, Casterly Rock, or Riverrun.
doesn't matter where he was born if he was a Targ bastard
they go by Blackfyre
edit yea I'm wrong
Waters would've been his last name
He totes jelly
He and Beric will run along the unbroken part of the wall (where they are) to Castle Black, where they can get down
My best guess would be between Dany's vision of Rhaegar and Elia and when Jaime recalls talking to Rhaegar before he left for the Trident, Rhaegar realized that the true Aegon was his younger son (fit the prophecy better) and that he must be named Aegon regardless. I'm hoping the books do it differently
Bastard surnames go by where the region the mother is born, not by where they are born. Show kinda goofed on that. Daemon Blackfyre was a Waters, Bloodraven and Aegor were both Rivers. All 3 were born in KL
Its been speculated that he possesses some sort of green sight ability.
One of the common complaints I've seen is, "Well, what was the Night King's plan to get through the Wall if he didn't have a dragon?!??!"
I find that to be:
A) A completely valid point. There never was another plan.
B) Completely ridiculous. What do you expect, the NK to turn toward the camera while he's on the back of Viserion and say, "By the way, I spent the past two centuries teaching my guys how to do free base climbing in case I didn't have a dragon"?
Related to how he found Bran in the cave? Or was that because Bran got caught looking at the NK?
Maybe it's all connected.
If anything, it help explain the unbelievably slow movement of the army of the dead. What's the purpose of racing to the wall if they can't get past it?
Tyrion loves Dany right?
Has that been mentioned here yet
he didn't really finish his training either right? so he might not be able to completely control his abilities