You’re not wrong. I agree with this part of it all, but for me personally it hasn’t ruined the show like some have given their feelings as it had
Ok. But your sarcastic post responding to My post about that long tweet is literally a painted picture in the show or the foreshadowing being “development”
Dany worked for me, hook line and sinker. Fist pumped when the first torching went down. However, I realize I’ve really leaned into the theory for a while and therefore was looking for each and every little confirmatory clue along the way. Also realize that everything is so rushed now I can agree with those who felt it was incorrectly played as a surprise rather than a steady devolution. I totally understand how it wasn’t a believable moment for so many and can really see why it would be jarring. Guess I’m just happy to worked for me.
I don’t think most people care about half of these. And trying to tick all these boxes would be really bad storytelling
I don't think anyone is upset about Dany's turn because they didn't see it coming. everyone saw it coming, they just wish it was handled differently.
True, whoever made that just added as much shit that they could think of. I don’t give a balls about Essos.
Listening to the Bald Move podcast and they make a good point about the writers just not giving a shit at this point and paying no attention to the precedent from earlier in the show. The one I didn't notice that they mentioned is that in the books Euron has the tongues of all his men removed so they can't talk. In the show, Euron also mentions that he removes their tongues and they are mutes. Last episode one of his sailors is yelling to turn around the ballista. Also, Jaime saying he doesn't care about the innocent when it's already established that he gave up his honor and reputation to kill the Mad King to save the innocent. It's little crap like that, which frustrates me with the show so much now. I can't give D&D the benefit of the doubt on story decisions when they've shown no ability to pay attention to what they've already established on the show.
As I’ve said before in here, I think playing the card as a BIG TWIST was a mistake. It should’ve been a nice steady tragedy.
lol come on just tell me why she ignored the Red Keep. tell me how that made sense how after everything leading up to her "turn" that wasn't the first thing she went for? she even stared at it as her rage grew.
Oh so now the complaint is that she should have ignored the whole place and went for RK...oh ok You all are insufferable
do you think everyone on here has a hive mind or something? I don't know what bothers other people, that's the part that bothers me about her turn. you seem to think that anyone who is bothered by it is stupid, so please enlighten me.
I have no doubt that Dany will break bad and burn King's Landing in the books. It'll be an easier sell too, since she'll be going up against a likely beloved King (f)Aegon and won't be able to hide behind any "I'm freeing people from slavers, despots, warlords, etc" excuses like she used in Essos. In Westeros it'll be for a throne that's occupied by someone the people love. She'll go after it purely and nakedly for selfish reasons. That's not a surprise; she's been saying from the beginning that the Iron Throne is her birthright. The readers don't really pay attention to it because no one has a problem with crucifying slavers or torching despots. In Westeros she's not going to have any pretext to hide behind. Everyone will be against her, and the reader will turn on her too. That'll drive her...not crazy the way her dad was (paranoid-schizophrenic) but driven past the point of reason. All the compassion and gentleness she had in Mereen and other places will be gone because those things will become obstacles in her quest for the throne. What will actually happen that will lead her to finally burn KL will be far more interesting in the books than what the show gave her, and far more satisfying too since it'll have been built up properly. I hope she joins Jon Snow and helps him win the war for the Dawn midway through A Dream of Spring. And I hope after the battle she finds no love from anyone despite her help. I hope that, plus everything else, leads her to break bad and take what's hers, leading to a final confrontation with Jon. Basically I hope things go like the final season went...just with a lot more time to flesh things out.
Don’t think I called you stupid for feeling differently about the second half of this season, but do what you gotta do.
Don’t think I called you stupid...but wouldn’t be the first time on this board folks take a general post personally
Dany: “I will rule with fire and blood” (quote is somewhat wrong but on par) Cersei: “I choose violence” Dany literally spoke about Cersei’s “mercy” and kills people. Dany gets mad and sees the RK, decides to rule with fire and blood... and fear. Ya the show is rushed, but perhaps watch and listen?
I disagree. if something is driving you mad, why would that be the one thing you ignore once you go over the edge? I've said this before, but that's why I don't think what happened with Dany should even be described as madness. she turned evil. she was composed and methodical and burned everyone and everything. she never lost control.
Dany has never shown mercy to those who oppose her. She has continually taken great pains to protect the innocents who get trampled below the great wheel. There was nothing previous to indicate that the wholesale slaughter of civilians after surrender had been declared was something she would not only abide, but actively engage in. She just woke up the morning of S8E5 and decided "i think I'm evil now."
Burning the city in general was more about Jon than Cersei. She goes into the fight against KL expecting it to be more difficult. Sapochnik said when she’s up on the battlements and realizing that she “won” that it’s “not enough.” Defeating Cersei doesn’t win her the Throne now that Jon, Sansa, Varys, Tyrion all betrayed her. She expected to have succeeded with “Let it be fear” in the process of defeating Cersei, but it was too easy. In rewatching, it almost looks like Clarke was portraying regret for what she was about to do, but swallowing it and doing it anyway to ensure the Throne is hers. Does that make perfect rational sense? No, probably not. But she’s gone mad, so it makes sense to her. Maybe all of this is head canon, but it’s how I’ve taken it.
They could’ve done this, - Have Jon Snow run up to her in an attempt to hug her, only to be struck by a random arrow that was aiming for her. The tragedy of seeing her 2nd love killed in front her drives her mad to torch the city - Of course his plot armor means he actually survived. Seeing the destruction she caused, he decides to kill her I don’t think anyone would’ve questioned her going mad then. Hell, what do I know, I’m not a writer though. The above scenario also hinges on the fact that the scene where Jon turned down her advances either didn’t happen or he instead gave into her advances.
Yea.. and apparently so many people missed the line “let it be fear”. This look and attitude of “you fucks made me do this”
who is left to rule though? she killed everyone. or you're saying she was doing that to make Jon, Tyrion and everyone else close to her fear her?
Didn't miss it, nobody here did. Just don't think it, in any way, explains a character whose entire life mission was to protect those under the thumbs of tyrants(like she had been) deciding to barbecue a city for funsies. Not in a military necessity, not out of desperation, just for fun and cruelty. Please stop trying to convince people there's only one truth. Lots of us hated it, your take is your own and perfectly valid. But it's not the one take that all must share
Well, if this season has taught us anything, when you destroy all of a population, half of them come back to life the next episode.
She wants the Throne. She always has. She’s gone paranoid in the last few days and also (correctly) realized that she’s not Mhysa in Westeros, she’s another foreign invader. Everyone around her is conspiring against her (in her mind). She has nobody around her to counter her base instincts of being “the dragon.” She’s gone loony, decides scaring the fuck out of everyone is the only path.
there's a fly in my kitchen that keeps landing in my food, and it's aggravating the hell out of me, so I'm going to go kick the fuck outta the dog.
Hopefully this timestamps correctly because a lot of this video isn't valid due to things being taken out of context but there is nothing taken out of context here (20 seconds in if the timestamp doesn't work)...
By all means, post your takes, just don't shit on people who disagree as if it's a matter of explaining it properly? I'm not mad at anyone who still likes the show and still thinks it's well done, perfectly reasonable to have differing interpretations of art forms
I’ll also add that part of Dany’s great tragedy is losing humanity as a liberator in the name of becoming a conqueror. Maybe you don’t like DD’s execution of it, which is fair, but this is 100% her arc and it is straight from Martin. She was always going to learn that she is not actually beloved throughout Westeros (which was a lie fed to her from birth) and would have to take it by fire and blood. Even while in Essos, benefitting the downtrodden was typically a convenient byproduct of achieving power. When Westeros isn’t what she expects, she eventually changes as a character and becomes the tyrant she always lusted to be. Like I’ve said, I can get behind critiquing how it played out and the pacing. But if you don’t believe Dany is capable of sacrificing innocents to get the Throne when she’s in this state, I’m not sure what show you’ve been watching. Again, this is all said with the caveat that I’ve been watching for a long time actively looking for these character traits.
Don’t think any of us can be more clear — becoming some form of Mad Queen is textbook Martin and completely believable; shit, her even becoming evil and insane eventually, too. But the journey to get there was shitted up by the show writers (to some of us, and that’s okay)
I said this after Missandei was beheaded: seems like that was the opportunity for her to fly off the handle immediately. Literally jump on Drogon and start torching. Could have moved all the Varys/Tyrion/Jon betrayal stuff to before that.
I was thinking about @TwoPoor’s latest post And I agree it’s ok. I might be naive and gullible but again I’m just glad it worked on me.
Don't get me wrong, i 100% believe this is book Dany's endpoint. But it has felt completely unearned on the show. But pretty much every character has been disrespected by the writing this season, so it's whatever. DnD CLEARLY don't give a shit at all anymore, not sure why we do
Agree with you that the writing for most characters has been a rough outline. Think part of me just lowered my expectations after season 6.
Again I think DD’s mistake is playing a lot of the turn with coy “looks” and passing remarks because they wanted a patented GoT style shocking moment As with all things lately, ten episodes would’ve helped a lot I think. Give us one incident where Dany starts on this path by sacrificing someone who didn’t deserve it, etc. Do it in episode 1 or 2 so it gives more weight to Sansa’s concerns. I think they meant for this to be Varys, but that conniving cockless wonder clearly deserved it for conspiracy.