Should Eli Manning be a Hall of Famer?

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Should Eli Manning be in the Hall of Fame?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Need more time to decide

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  1. $P1

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    You can take the word "sustained" out of this post.

    He was never an elite player, period.
     
  2. 20/20/20/20

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    Trying to take away the Super Bowls as a fluke or something is dumb, they won.

    You can acknowledge that he had two great playoff runs that ended in Super Bowl wins and did nothing resembling greatness in the rest of his long career.
     
  3. Josey Wales

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    Skip Bayless would love this topic of conversation.
     
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  4. laxjoe

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  5. laxjoe

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    Fuck your Skip.
     
  6. DUCKMOUTH

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    Long career, few pro bowls and some good super bowl wins. He is in, but just by a hair.

    I think if he wasn’t Peytons brother people would look at his career a little more positively. Hard to live up to Peytons career
     
  7. LetItSoak

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    If he wasn't Peyton's brother and played in Jacksonville or another small market he wouldnt have a prayer
     
  8. dblplay1212

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    The team had a great run, mainly the defense. He wasn't leading the offense to 40 every week in the playoffs.
     
  9. dblplay1212

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    I doubt either gets in. They don't go 5 and 6 deep per era. There's 26 QB's in from the last 60 years. Only 2 that retired post-2000.


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    Troy Aikman 1989-2000
    George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
    Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
    Len Dawson 1957-1975
    John Elway 1983-1998
    Brett Favre 1991-2010
    Dan Fouts 1973-1987
    Otto Graham 1946-1955
    Bob Griese 1967-1980
    Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
    Jim Kelly 1986-1996
    Bobby Layne 1948-1962
    Dan Marino 1983-1999
    Joe Montana 1979-1994
    Warren Moon 1984-2000
    Joe Namath 1965-1977
    Ken Stabler 1970-1984
    Bart Starr 1956-1971
    Roger Staubach 1969-1979
    Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
    Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
    Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
    Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
    Kurt Warner 1998-2009
    Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
    Steve Young 1985-1999
     
  10. Tobias

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    the 2011 playoff run was 100% eli. the defense that year was not good.
     
  11. DUCKMOUTH

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    Phillip Rivers had some amazing offensive weapons around him for a bit. Think Eli’s stats would have been better if he played in SD for sure, but Manning’s thought they were too good for SD I guess
     
  12. LetItSoak

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    Eli played really well in the 2011 playoffs but the defense gave up 14 ppg and held NE to 17 when their season average was 32 so I don't think it's fair to give him all of the credit
     
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  13. LetItSoak

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    I think a lot of this debate is really around what constitutes a HoF qb. Just my opinion but to get in you should define your generation at the position. Brees, Brady, Peyton and Rodgers meet that threshold imo. Big Ben would be the floor for me from that era in terms of who gets in. Eli, Ryan, Rivers etc are a tier below him so they're out if I'm voting, not that anyone gives a shit
     
  14. poor paul

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    using wins as an individual stat is even more dumb.

    eli was never an elite player at his position, but was a part of two great team runs. I do thank him for taking the Pats down twice, but aside that, his 'greatness' is overstated because the media and many fans like to attribute any wins/losses to the QB.
     
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  15. War Grundle

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    I agree with you on that if we were starting over from scratch and re-evaulating all the QB's who have been let in I dont think he is in but seeing who is in, I dont think you can leave him out. I think Ryan and Rivers compare favorably to Fouts and Moon in QB's who put up tons of stats, made the playoffs but never won a SB.

    Tony Romo and Palmer didnt have good enough sustained careers to make it to me especially with no rings.
     
  16. Wu

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    Relieved to see No has surged and overtaken Yes for now
     
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  17. 20/20/20/20

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    Yeah, you’re probably right.
     
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  18. LetItSoak

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    Moon was a pioneer and 9x pro bowler (Ryan has 4) though. I think that solidly separates him from a guy like Ryan. Moon defined his generation of QBs in a way Rivers and Ryan never did imo
     
  19. War Grundle

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    I'm ok with leaving them out. I think the SB rings is what is getting Eli in. I agree that Rivers and Ryan's numbers dont stand out in comparison to their peers like Moon's did. He and Marino were doing things people werent doing before other than Tarkenton.

    Stafford is going to be dealing with the same arguments Ryan and Rivers are in 5-7 years.
     
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  20. Crepeswithasmile

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    Namath and Sonny Jurgensen both had losing records for their careers and are both in the Hall. Eli will definitely get in, but shouldn't be a first ballot guy.
     
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  21. wes tegg

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    :roll: .5 in INT% is like an inch on your nose.
     
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  22. bro

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    his problem is all the other great QBs who are about to get in. His best bet was retiring first, before Brady/Brees/Rivers/Rodgers/etc., which he has done by at least a year or two.
     
  23. LetItSoak

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    It's 1 int every 6 games or so (difference between #1 and #5 in the league in 2020 so actually pretty small) and the point is that he doesn't compare all that favorably to a dude who might get dropped by his current team for 2020 and is not anyone's idea of HoF qb
     
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  24. Joe_Pesci

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    I think it's reasonable to ask if he was ever even the best player on his team
     
  25. zeberdee

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    this doesn't seem like a very good qualifier.
     
  26. poor paul

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    idk man

     
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  27. Joe_Pesci

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    Maybe not by itself but in the context of the mountain of interceptions and .500 record I think it's worth thinking about
     
  28. Killy Me Please

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    Exactly Joe Namath shouldn't be in the hall.
     
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  29. dblplay1212

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    Probably not. He had a few good years but not enough. He was an iconic figure and helped grow the league but based on solely numbers he shouldn't be in.
     
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  30. Dirt Dirt McGirt

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    Eli was a mediocre QB for most of his career, has been outright bad for 3-4 years now, and should be nowhere near the HOF

    that said, he'll get in
     
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  31. JonathanCoachman

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    Might as well put Cooper in if Eli gets in.
     
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    Led the league in INTs three times

    5 seasons at less than 60% completion

    never an All-Pro, just 4 Pro Bowls in an age where like 10 QBs make the Pro Bowl ever year

    McNabb and Romo should get in before Eli
     
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  33. poor paul

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    passer rating is not a perfect measure of a qb by any means, but his career passer rating index is 88. 100 is the NFL average.

    but seriously thanks for beating the Pats in the SB twice.
     
  34. LetItSoak

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    Advanced metrics like DVOA and DYAR have him peaking at 9th and averaging somewhere in the upper teens each year so they're pretty well aligned on his performance
     
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  36. JonathanCoachman

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    I was thinking about QB stat inflation over the last generation and think this is a decent trivia question.

    Don’t cheat. Who threw for more TDs in their college career, Eli Manning or Joe Burrow?
     
  37. Lyrtch

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    would say Eli just because he played more years
     
  38. JonathanCoachman

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    Eli 81
    Joe 78

    Eli started three seasons and had just 33 attempts as a Freshman.

    Burrow had 38 attempts at Ohio State and two seasons at LSU.

    Burrow having only 16 TDs his first season at LSU doesn’t seem believable now.
     
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  40. Daniel Ocean

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    welp obviously this means yes he should be
     
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  41. Biship

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    He’ll get in but he’s not an all time great qb
     
  42. Handcuffed

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    Is Roethlisberger a HOFer? I thought I remember Mix and others adamantly arguing against it a couple of years ago but could be wrong. I assume he's in.

    He doesn't get there per PFR's HOF monitor but he was a more prolific passer than Eli and won super bowls.
     
  43. The Banks

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    Agreed. He absolutely should not be a HoF QB but I dont run the HoF. He will be though.
     
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  44. The Banks

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    Sounds like a NYG ring of honor candidate
     
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  46. Zap Branigan

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    Fuck Eli

    No
     
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  47. AIOLICOCK

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    Does anyone want to know my opinion about this topic?
     
  48. DUCKMOUTH

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    yes
     
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  49. Doc Louis

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    But what do we do about those pesky super bowl MVP awards?
     
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  50. AIOLICOCK

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    I don't think he belongs
     
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