Small Business Thread - Advice for Navigating Covid-19

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  1. NYGator

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    Exact same issue. We changed to a PEO in June. We submitted for forgiveness a month ago and just found out our bank sent us an email asking us to provide one payroll service info instead of two, but it went to junk mail. So dumb that they couldn't figure it out that the payroll could be from two different payroll companies.
     
  2. Frankie Carbone

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    Wells Fargo client checking in. Still no application in place to apply

    They did send an email out in error saying first payment is due 12/7
     
  3. Houndster

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    I think the AICPA and other lobbies will get it changed
     
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  4. DAT.ass

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    looks like 2nd round of PPP is in this next Stimulus package. I thought for sure it would just still be for first timers.

    Just had PayPal finish my application and they “suggested” full forgiveness, and that is now sent off to SBA for final approval. I imagine the SBA just takes the suggestions and doesn’t dig in too deep since they have millions of these applications to go through. Hopefully they can finalize this before the end of the year, and it’s not necessary going to make me a weaker candidate for the 2nd PPP if I haven’t officially been fully forgiven by the SBA.
     
  5. Houndster

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    It’s basically automatic if you’re under the $2 million combined threshold
     
  6. NYGator

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    So it looks like if you had any quarter in 2020 that was 25% or more worse than the prior year in that quarter than you would again qualify for a very similar (slightly better) PPP loan for this year in this round of the new bill provided that the White House doesn't veto.
     
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  7. Russellin4885

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    damn, one of my businesses lost 21.07% in 2nd quarter and 21.18% in 3rd.
     
  8. Jake Scott

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    Random bump/question

    Would any of you business owners be willing to chat with me about a startup?
     
  9. wheyum

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    I'd be willing to chat.
    Have a small niche construction company. Also in the process of starting a roofing company currently.
    Currently trying to get Auto insurance for a trailer and HNOA for the company without having to purchase a vehicle first... FUN

    I'm looking to make a novelty product this year too. I really dont know anyhting about retail (online sales). Anyone have expertise there?
     
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  10. NoNatty

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    I would be happy to answer any questions but I’m not sure how helpful I would be since I’m in the healthcare/legal field.
     
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  11. Room 15

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    what industry?
     
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  12. Whammy

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    Bootstrapped a storage, warehouse, and logistics startup in Atlanta. Happy to chat, on the revenue / marketing side which is where my expertise lies
     
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  13. Darko the Snowman

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    What do you have in mind?
     
  14. Jake Scott

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    Nothing fancy. It's for my brother.
     
  15. Mix

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    I'm about to lease me a nice warehouse and start doing some regional shipping. I probably should reach out to you.
     
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  16. Russellin4885

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    Don't know if I would say I have expertise but one of my jobs is I help run a family retail shop.
     
  17. Whammy

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    Feel free - you’re in Orlando yes? We’re standing up a warehouse in Tampa or Lakeland sometime in Q2
     
  18. colonel_forbin

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    Would the first round of PPP received in 2020 factor into the equation when comparing to 2019 revenue. Like if I made $5 in in Q2 2019, and $5 in Q2 2020, but $2 of that was from PPP-1, would I still be eligible?
     
  19. NYGator

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    PPP does not count as revenues. It is excluded from the 25% quarterly calculation. My understanding is that even for tax or accounting purposes it will not be counted as revenue.
     
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  20. AptosDuck

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    This letter is to inform you that we have been notified by the U.S. Small Business Administration regarding your Forgiveness Application. Congratulations! The SBA has issued a judgement of full forgiveness for your PPP Loan. This means that no interest, fees, or principal amounts are due to *********** Bank.

    Pleasant surprise since, based on the initial rules at time of application (April), I calculated that we would have to pay back about 25% of it
     
  21. NoNatty

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    when did you apply for forgiveness?
     
  22. AptosDuck

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    Bank passed on instructions in late October, but we didn't get around to submitting anything until early December. Bank got back to us a few days later asking for some supplemental documents, and once we gave them a Q3 941 they said they'd take care of everything else. Their letter to us that I quoted was dated 12/29, so it all got done within three weeks.
     
  23. NoNatty

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    bank?

    Ours was “approved” by chase on 12/20. Still haven’t heard back.
     
  24. AptosDuck

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    We'd tried to go through Wells Fargo in April, ended up going with a local bank. Loan was approved mid-April, funded late April. So when the bank set up a portal for submitting documents in October for forgiveness, we gave them payroll, health insurance, rent and utilities for May, June and July. Bank came back a few days later (maybe around 12/10) and asked for 3Q 941 for some reason, so we gave it to them. They said thanks, we'll take it from here, which I assumed meant that they'd put everything together and submit it to the SBA. Next thing we know we get that letter dated 12/29 saying loan completely forgiven. If Chase told you 12/20 something along the lines of what our bank told us ten days earlier, then perhaps your good news is just around the corner.

    It may also have helped that our business finances are ridiculously simple and straightforward. Come tax time our accountant says it's the easiest money she makes all season.
     
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  25. NoNatty

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    Just got the email from Chase saying our PPP forgiveness request was approved.

    I wish there were more things like this. We originally thought we would need it to address reduced business but in the end it allowed us to hire two new employees.
     
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  26. Houndster

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    Second round opens up next week if you’re still struggling.
     
  27. Chipper>Jeter

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    Okay non Covid related question. I'm having issues with staff using the office computer here for personal stuff and its fucking up the computer. Anybody have any suggestions for something I could do to block sports, gaming, personal sites, etc? Its a shared computer that they needs access to but only for excel files, word, and store email.
     
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  28. NYGator

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    I hope everyone who qualifies is taking advantage of the revised Employee Retention Tax Credit provision of CARES. In the new bill you can claim both ERCT and PPP provided you do not use the same salaries for forgiveness and that you have a minimum drop of 20% revenues in any quarter versus 2019. This is a change from the original bill where you could only claim one or the other. You will receive either a tax credit or direct cash payment at a rate of 70% of 10K paid to each employee on staff during that time period, so $7000 per employee. You can also claim it in as many quarters as you are down 20% compared to the comparable quarter in 2019. Really good stuff.

    You can also retroactively claim it on some level for 2020, but the payback is only at 50% and it required a 50% drop in any quarter compared to 2019 to start claiming it and it ends when you are within 20% (I think). Worth chatting with your financial advisers as this was significant found money for my company and as a result we are beefing up our hiring (intention of the bill). We look to hire 15 people in the next 6 months.

    This provision also applies if you had to shut down for a certain period of time.
     
  29. Frankie Carbone

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    Unfortunately, if you’re the business owner and only have 1 employee (yourself) you don’t qualify :(
     
  30. AptosDuck

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    SOUNDS COMPLICATED

    Our accountant advised in late Feb. that we look into it, but an initial recon into the numbers suggested that it's not in the cards for us. However, during the recon into the numbers we found that we were in fact eligible for PPP Round 2, which we applied for in early March and received two weeks ago
     
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  31. NYGator

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    It's actually not. Much less complicated than PPP.

    If your revenues declined in Q1 2021 versus Q1 2019 by 20% or more you are in fact eligible for it. Same thing for any quarter going forward this year against the comparable quarter in 2019. The rules were not clear until the beginning of March, so you may want to go back and rereview based on Q1 results of course. The issue is that prior to the revision you could not do both PPP and ERTC together. You now can.
     
  32. AptosDuck

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    Weird, since we found PPP to be extremely straightforward. Turns out we had a 37% drop in revenue from Q2 2019 to Q2 2020, and boom we were eligible for Round 2. We figure we'll do exactly what we did in Round 1 and get full loan forgiveness again.

    I think the accountant was hinting to us to "take a good look at your revenues" in Q1 2021 compared to Q1 2020 to see if we qualify. Unfortunately, it seems the business is doing too well for that.
     
  33. NYGator

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    It’s 2021 Q1 against 2019 Q1 and only requires a 20% drop, which on a specific quarter basis may be more achievable even if things have improved.
     
  34. AptosDuck

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    Yeah I get that and that makes more sense but that's what she was telling us in February, and she admitted that it might turn out to be different because the details hadn't been finalized yet

    Like I said the business is doing too well anyway, oh darn
     
  35. NoNatty

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    I want more free government money.
     
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  36. Russellin4885

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    How was that missed initially? That's a pretty sizable drop. Main reason for asking is one of my companies lost 23% for second quarter and 24% for 3rd quarter so didn't think I qualified but maybe I could have done something to change that?
     
  37. Mix

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    Might take the EIDL increase. That plus the Restaurant money and could have massive cash on hand for us to grow with.
     
  38. AptosDuck

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    We were aware of the drop; we were unaware of the specific PPP2 eligibility requirements

    Our short-term revenue fluctuates normally due to the nature of the business (but not quite as much as it did in that quarter), so we tend to prioritize yearly revenue numbers, not monthly or quarterly
     
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