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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by HatterasJack, Feb 8, 2020.
I can see why you would think that but I am fine. It was not always the case
no judgement. You know your situation more and better than I do and I honestly hope that’s the case.
Pretty sure Ben Carson during a debate in 2016 proposed a 10% flat tax based on tithing. Real big brain stuff.
This is correct. The Catholic Church doesn’t have a set percentage of income for donations and it certainly isn’t tracked.
you do, however, pay a different, slightly smaller tuition if you convert to catholicism than if you are a heathen.
That depends on the school and the diocese. The vast majority have some form of need based tuition reduction, too.
Definitely on the need based. Every catholic scool I went to (4) had reduced tuition for Catholics. It's why we converted in the first place. Though I could see it varying, just anecdotal.
I send all my kids to the same catholic school my siblings went.
Catholic discount is about 15% compared to non-Catholics.
After that if you need more assistance you can apply annually and they tell how much, if any, the Diocese will waive. This decision is weighted by your participation at the church and/or Diocese, including how you donate and how regularly. When we had only 2 kids our tuition reduction ended up being almost the exact amount we donated.
When we adopted 3 others and asked if they could go the school said yes. We asked about assistance or a grant for them because paying catholic school for 5 is not realistic for us and the school said no. But then the church (not the school or diocese, but the church) put our 3 adopted kids on scholarship until they graduate. For reference we are very active in our church and school ministries and I have no doubt that was a huge reason why they did it.
That exact line of thinking is what got L.Ron Hubbard started
You sound like a really good person. Props
Tithing 10% is in the Bible and whether discussed or not is done throughout Christian denominations.
I think the Mormons are the only ones who make you submit your w-2 to prove your fulfillment (which is nuts). My source is from a guide during a tour of the Mormon church during a business trip to slc.
It’s Old Testament/Torah... so yeah Christianity and Judaism. But I wasn’t aware there were churches or divisions of Christianity that required it.
the Mormons do.....but I don’t know if they fall under the same umbrella as Catholics/Protestants.
There aren’t. But, there is this cult based out of Utah though....
Mormon history is stupidly fascinating if you have some time to read or listen. Current Mormon cities (St. George, UT comes to mind) are really eerie. It feels like you’re being surveilled at all times.
my future in-laws retired to Utah (St. George and a place just outside of Park City) and I can attest to this.
xec can correct me if I’m wrong here but they don’t “require” it
but there are different levels to being a Mormon and being at the level of having a temple rec is an exclusive group that many strive to be in. In order to get a temple rec you have to be up to date in your tithing etc etc
I’m pretty sure you can be an active Mormon church member and not pay your tithing however you’ll never reach a certain level in the church
it depends on where you are in Utah, in these small towns that are 99% hardcore Mormon and you have a tattoo, or swear or are walking around drink a cold one they I’m sure will look at it like you are Satan himself
the bigger cities, especially SLC it isn’t nearly the same. The closer you get to SLC the more liberal it is, hell they just had a gay mayor.
it’s also generational too. The Mormons 50+ are more likely to be hardcore and those are the ones judging others doing everything they don’t believe in. The younger generations, thanks to the internet, are much more accepting and understanding. Big reasons why the church is losing members at a staggering rate is because of the millennials
my wife’s family is Mormon, you would never guess it if you looked at them or spoke to them but they are. Some of my best friends are Mormon and I’ve never had a bad experience with them. On the other hand I’ve certainly had bad experiences dealing with hardcore Mormons who literally won’t allow their kids to socialize with ours just because we don’t go to church
Yeah except for how he hates my team. That's unforgivable regardless of how many children you selflessly choose to support and drastically improve the quality of lives of!
where is the place outside park city? Heber?
great country living out there
Vegas Mormons are my favorite. Being all pius in the middle of Sin City.
Midway Mountain Village. Right next door to Heber
yeah the hardcore ones judge people they don’t even know because you aren’t one of them and they are taught at a young age that you must have been corrupted by Satan
xec is part of the religion so I’m sure he is more educated on the subject than I am(he even thinks he’s a prophet)
but like all religions imo you have your fanatics and you have your members who have common sense and are accepting of all people
Yeah, this isn't a thing. Source: A lifetime of tithing paying
good to know. Just going off what I was told, glad to be corrected
yeah I’ve grown up catholic my entire life and attend mass regularly, this is the first I’ve heard of it. Of course now they have gone from the ushers putting the collections in front of you and you can auto-pay online but it’s whatever amount of you wish to donate
certainly not the same as 10% of your earnings goes to the church
Like others have stated it was always a collection “basket” during mass IIRC it was twice during the service. I don’t ever remember a percentage.
yeah you place the cash in the envelope
Naturally some hooligans decided to rob the ushers at 7am mass on like a random Tuesday years ago at my church which lead to police escorts
I imagine every church is different but the church I went to growing up used to have an offering every service that was described as "his tithes and our offerings" with the implication of course being that everyone should tithe and maybe a little more if you had it. There wasn't any sort of checking up on people though. You just put what you wanted in the bag.
Pretty sure my parents to this day give 10% to the church. Glad im not a part of it.
Abraham in the book of genesis
Jesus in Matthew.
Tax deductions in the book of evasion.
I’m officially a member, but I haven’t gone to services in over 15 years. Tithing is one of the requirements to be “Temple worthy”. It’s based in scripture. It wasn’t really a big thing in the Church until about 100 years ago. The Church was basically bankrupt and the President at the time raised the importance of tithing. Tithing plus shrewd business practices took it from bankrupt to wealthy. As DelapThrows posted, there is not scrutiny of a member’s tithing. Basically, a member’s Bishop will ask you if you feel you paid an honest tithe. If you say Yes, then you did. The underlying scripture speaks to ‘a tenth of your increase’. This is widely interpreted by members. I was in charge of tracking finances in a couple of Wards over the years. The individual interpretations usually fall into one of these 4 categories:
1) ‘Increase’ is all the earnings (wages, investments, etc...) received in a year and you tithe 10% of that amount.
2) ‘Increase’ is what is left after taxes, social security, etc.
1a&2a) 1 and 2 can be nuanced as to the timing of the tithe payment. Some members pay every paycheck. Some wait and pay the entire sum at the end of the year so that they earn interest. Of course, they tithe on the interest too.
3) ‘Increase’ is what is left after taxes, social security, etc.. and after you’ve paid all of your bills.
So, unless things have changed, the meaning of tithe is a very individual thing in the Church.
I grew up Baptist and tithes were part of that denomination too. This post is probably more than y’all wanted to know...but, it is what it is.
And the white knight appears, out of the mist, damp, cold and ferocious.
This really shouldn't surprise anyone. They opened a Temple here in Tucson a few years ago and opened it to the public for a walk through before they close it to just Mormons. Holy shit it looks like Trumps place with all the white an gold in there. Extremely extravagant.
All the temples are gorgeous
This guy has a YouTube channel where he brings a hidden camera inside the temples
Yeah Ive watched a few of those, he also records some of their secret ceremonies.
yeah all the temple security guys are aware of him and he’s banned from entering. But I think the rumor was that he used to be a member of temple security and just keeps making fake badges, or he used to. Now that he shows his face so much idk if he still does this stuff
Grew up in a non-denominational church that was big in to prosperity theology. There would always be a regular thithing message that would last as long, if not longer than the sermon of the week. Sometimes there were 2 giving sessions because someone felt the Lord was leading them to call upon the church for a special "seed." I didn't realize it at the time or that there was even a specific name for it, but it always felt gross to me. Especially when guys like Mike Murdock and Kenneth Hagin would roll through and talk about their private jets, luxury cars, and Rolex watches that would be given to them all because they supposedly went above and beyond in their tithing.
When one thinks of the teachings of Jesus, wealth and extravagance immediately come to mind.
Shit is pretty unsettling. I've read the books "Under the Banner of Heaven" and "Educated: A Memoir" on Mormons and their doomsday prepping ways. They describe characters I would definitely not want in charge of public affairs