Suez Canal(Egypt) boat jam

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  1. Andy Reocho

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    Pretty crazy story going on.

     
  2. TC

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    Thought this was about OP's favorite Widespread set
     
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  4. The Banks

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    Thank you OP, for clarifying the Egyptian Suez Canal as opposed to the North Dakota one.
     
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  6. ButchCassidy

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    That’s a huge ship.
     
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    Let the air out of its tires.
     
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  9. Andy Reocho

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    I was just dumbing it down for everyone so they knew what they were getting into
     
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    “Accidentally”
     
  11. HowdyHorns

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    Just need the crew to hop in the dingy to lighten the load and float it off the bar. Amateurs.
     
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    A rewatch of Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift should solve this problem
     
  13. CUAngler

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    The fine for this is going to be astronomical
     
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  15. Andy Reocho

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    I'm sure they'll claim act of God or something and get out of it, no? Unless the storyline on the wind/sandstorm is false.
     
  16. Butthead

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    :pffft: that overhead view
     
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  17. Jigga

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    Im sure it will be fine
     
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  18. zeberdee

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    isn't there a recent movie where the premise is these select-few ship captains who are the only people who can navigate the canal aligning with some rebel leader and allowing him to take control of it? I may be losing my mind.
     
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    Sounds like the plot to Ben Shapiro's next thriller
     
  20. Butthead

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    Does Gerrard Butler save the day?
     
  21. zeberdee

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    this is gonna be something really dumb and I'm going to be embarrassed.
     
  22. ono

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    Not entirely related, but I know due to maritime law, for any container that is lost overboard, the reimbursement value of said container is spread amongst the other buyers with containers on the ship - not the ship or the line itself responsible for save passage of the product.

    I'm sure the captain of the boat will be fired, jailed and/or thrown overboard, but it wouldn't shock me if the shipping line itself wiggles its way out of trouble.
     
  23. TC

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    Then we will fight in the shade!
     
  24. steamengine

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    Have they tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
     
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  27. racer

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    :ded:

    Oh holy shit I’m crying
     
  28. Emma

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    Help me step-ship, I'm stuck!
     
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    Yeah just bang on the side of it with your hand a couple times
     
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    Someone had to make a quality post after OP failed miserably
     
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    oh god :laugh:
     
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  32. Pelican

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    I don't know shit about maritime life, but I feel like in the year 2021 it should not take two days to fix this issue.
     
  33. Emma

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    Some guy's opinion

    Can't wait to read the report a year from now. Until then you guys are going to have to make do with my professional opinion, which is like an asshole, but it's a porn star asshole, it's bleached and everything.

    By the severity of the grounding despite such a small space to maneuver the most likely explanation is a sudden and catastrophic failure of the rudder hydraulics. Port authorities regularly cite and even arrest ships for mechanical problems with their rudder specifically because this kind of situation can happen, and it can happen in seconds! I had a rudder hydraulic ram fail on me once, but because I knew we had two rams, I just switched over to the secondary, notified the captain and chief engineer, and the watch continued uneventfully, no drama. The engineers just added another item on their to-do list for the next day. There's also a tertiary system you're supposed to have; during maneuverings (like transiting a strait) you have a sailor in the pump room at the sound-powered phone so even if both rams fail and power fails I can call them from the bridge and give them helm orders that they directly and manually operate the back-up ram to comply with.

    But that requires a ship actually have people onboard who give a shit, and most don't, that's why these big shipping companies go with flags of convenience like this. This ship in particular might have been undermanned and just not have had the manpower to station a sailor in the pump room. They might not have had the back-up ram and sound-powered phone. They might not have had the time to call them and give helm orders. It can happen in seconds.

    Something else that can happen is the damn rudder gets stuck. You never give the helm hard orders (hard to port, hard to starboard, which is to say, "turn the wheel all the way to one side, as far as she'll go"), because the rudder can get stuck in that position. There's all kinds of marine buildup on the rudder post that doesn't hardly get cleaned very often. Why would someone give extreme helm orders? Because the ship is moving extremely slowly and is extremely large. The rudder doesn't work unless there's water passing by it. Legally that's called "making way." You always want to be travelling fast enough that your rudder works! A big ship like this might need 30-35° of rudder to actually turn at all when heavily laden (as she visibly is) and moving as slowly as they do in a strait, where the speed limit for a ship that size is about 7 knots. It might've been fine for the first few hours but then suddenly it's not any more, and by the time the helmsman notices and says "hey uh captain we got a big problem here" it's too late to do anything but pack your bags.

    There's also invisible forces buffeting the ship. There's multiple currents moving about in a strait, including water effects generated by ships passing by, and wind gusts across the desert, even the rotation of the Earth affects a ship that large, and all of them can confuse a pilot long enough they don't notice a mechanical failure until it's too late.
     
  34. ono

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    Good thread here:



    But in particular this tweet might explain part of the problem:

     
  35. racer

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    Have they tried a tugboat?
     
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    :roll:
     
  37. Pelican

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    I only understand like three words from that tweet but the images do shed some light on what's going on.
     
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  39. Sir Phobos

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    that is fairly close to the backdrop of an episode of The Crown, season two, which covers the Suez Crisis.
     
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  40. zeberdee

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    that's 100% it. thank you. I couldn't think of a show I'd watched recently set in that timeline. I barely watch The Crown, I will just put on an episode everyone once in a while when I don't have anything else to watch, so it wasn't registering.
     
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    :deerstandnotkneel:
     
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  42. BrickTamland

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    Have we clarified the “Egypt or North Dakota” question?
     
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    I ordered a planter for a Bonsai tree on Amazon on Monday. It was supposed to come today but it just got delayed until Friday. I bet this is why.
     
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  46. jokewood

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    I watched a YouTube video about a month ago on the science of bulbous bows and now consider myself an expert on maritime shipping engineering.
     
  47. TC

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    Pretty much what I was gonna say
     
  48. Taffy

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    At least its being dealt with and nobody is in De Nile.
     
  49. Seavie

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    So y'all know how anxious you get when you start to see traffic slow down? "Gee I wonder if there's a wreck up ahead. Maybe I should take an alternate route".

    I wonder at what point all the other ship captains started going through this thought process. "Well shit. First mate Johnson, does that look like a pile-up up ahead to you? Can you see what lane is blocked? See if someone will let you over into the left lane so that we can get around it".
    * 2 days later *
    Captain's log:
    Food and water starting to run low. Morale problems on ship. No hint of when this fucking pile-up will end. I have overheard whispers of a mutiny.



    I swear this was more humorous in my head before I realized they all probably have sophisticated GPS and other navigation systems to alert them of the problem