The 400-mile range is with a 180 kWh battery and will likely be around the $100k mark. The base model (200-250 miles, 105 kWh) was announced to start at $69k for the truck and a few thousand more for the SUV.
Most of mine had expiration dates in January So I was like 6 months too early If I did January 2020 i would’ve made a boatload
$195 Another analyst downgraded the stock and musk emailed employees that the company only has 10 months left to live if they keep losing money at the rate they did Q1. Musk or their 22 year old CFO is apparently going to review legit every expense that goes out of their bank account
Saw a Fisker Karma on the road (so sexy) the other day and didn't realize they're about to start making cars again : https://www.fiskerinc.com/emotion-electric-car
It's also worth noting that the less human drivers, the less the computer has to account for human error so they will become even safer once there are less human drivers on the road. But that's probably another 15 years away at least.
I think that it is less than 15 years. Look at the speed of advancing tech. I think 10 years at the top end. The benefit will really come in when they can network the cars together. This way the cars can communicate to each other who needs to merge, and what the optimal speed looks like. This will significantly increase safety and the ability to reduce the number of accidents. In a study I read and can't find now, they said with networked automated vehicles, we could theoretically see an increase of 300% utilization in the current roadway infrastructure of the US.
Tesla lowering prices on S and X by a few thousand: anyone who buys these cars any time other than the end of quarter is an idiot Also I thought these were appreciating assets?
The guy I drove with showed me the navigation system and how it worked to make sure you don't run out of power. First, if you put in a destination, it will track in live time if you will make it. If not, it may tell you something like: you need to drive 65MPH or slower to arrive at your destination. Also, it will show the locations of charging stations. And it will calculate how much (in time) you need to charge at each station to arrive at your destination. So if you are going from Detroit to Columbus, it will show a charging station in Toledo, and based on your current charge, you will need to charge for 18 minutes in Toledo to get to Columbus.
they're only practical for driving on a regular weekday for most people. couldn't imagine taking one of those things on a road trip.
Oh we're posting Spiegel in here again? Here are some of my favorites from him: And here's the time he baselessly speculated about Musk blackmailing a reporter:
There’s going to be public pushback but also congress/politics are going to cause it to be delayed as they figure out laws and stuff once it becomes a mass thing.
I think how highways and bridges are constructed will also have to change. The sort of thing where lanes swerve during construction could cause problems not to mention older roads in suburban and rural areas could throw off a car's AI, but could see that stuff taking 15+ years to resolve
No offense but I feel technology will be able to overcome these challenges easier than updating current infrastructures. I look at the advances the iphones have made in the past 10 years and could see very similar advances in AI and automated vehicles. I believe they have automated vehicles running live in Nevada in some areas.
It's not the technology that will hold us back, or even the infrastructure. It's the politics of getting Federal/State/Local to all get on the same page that will make this thing take longer than 10 years.
I'd also say the fear, just like we are seeing now. We have 3-5 crashes from a system in use for 2 years?? How many human crashes we've had?? What's it for per hour driving or per mile driven? So many people will have a massive problem wrapping their heads around that. That doesn't exclude Tesla or other companies that need to continue developing and enhancing their systems.
I think how well the manufacturers play together will affect it too. If everyone tries to go proprietary, it'll take longer. If everyone gets on one system so all cars can talk to each other, things will go much smoother. I don't expect that to happen though. We've seen it in video games. Games would be better if developers didn't have to make one for PS and one for Xbox. Same with apps that have to make a Droid and Apple version. If they can get one central way for all cars to talk to each other, the system would run pretty smooth. One central hub: Car A goes to change lanes. It tells car B it's going to change lanes and car B makes room. Without one hub: Car A and B are made by two different manufacturers. Car A goes to change lanes. Car B has to "see" it move and then react. That's a massive difference. If there's one central hub directing them all, it becomes much easier for them to move around. The problem is each manufacturer is going to want to be the point person for moving all traffic. Hopefully a 3rd party emerges and all cars report data to the 3rd party and the 3rd party directs it all. Sounds like a job for Google imo.
I’m not sure what the demand is for driverless cars or true auto pilot. Probably not as much as people who spend 8-12 hours a day on the internet think If this ever does look like it will happen buy some undeveloped land outside of town wherever you live because people’s tolerance for a longer commute will go up if they don’t have to actively drive
I have no clue what the % of people that would want it would be but it doesn't take a huge % for it to be a ton of units.
There are countless companies developing driverless cars/trucks/etc. There's pretty big demand for it. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want it
Yea I imagine everyone will want it. Why wouldn't you? Most won't be willing to pay for it at first but the cost of it will come down over time like all other tech.
Some people really like to actually drive and some won’t trust it the way they think the govt is poisoning their minds with fluoride and chem trails and strong marijuana... which unfortunately is a much larger % of the population than you might think (unless you spend 8-12 hours a day on the internet). That still leaves a massive market for driverless cars though.
You can still drive if you like, you just have the option to not have to if you don't want to that day. Agree there's some dumb dumbs that won't want it bc of reasons. That's a small % though.
Even if the regular joe didn't want driverless (I don't believe that to be the case for the majority) Amazon and trucking companies would love electric driverless, margins would improve immensely.
I think it all depends on cost (Capt. Obvious here for your reading pleasure) but I think it is something a lot of Americans would want. I mean, on average, we are a pretty lazy group of people, we consistently look for ways to make life easier for ourselves. Not having to do any driving and just being able to get where we want? Yeah, that would be picked up very quickly by most people.
I don't disagree with the points you make. I'll simply just add that I think conversion to the self drive will happen much quicker than anticipated given you don't need to use it all the time. Plus its a fantastic feature that could lead to much safer roads. I'm sure parents will give this serious consideration when deciding on cars for that 16 year old child who can't remover her/his hands from the phone.
You are thinking wrong in my opinion. Think about this... how many vehicles dies and average family of 4-5 people need today? If the kids are teenagers with one over the age of 16, that family will usually have three vehicle. With automated vehicles, that shrinks to one or maybe two. Especially with electric powered. Instead of mom and dad taking a car each to work and the child using their car to go to school, the kids could have the car take them to school and return home to pick up the parents. The car then takes them to work. If anyone needs the car during the day, you simply request it like an Uber and it comes to get you. This means less demand for auto makers. I believe the number of vehicles on the road will start gradually declining as this tech improves. In Multifamily real estate we are seeing developers plan for this. They are building their parking decks to be converted to more housing in 10 years if the parking need decreases. It’s an interesting trend and study right now.
None taken, I agree on that. Just that between fed state and local governments they'll have to change how they handle construction and repair projects to account for driverless vehicles. That part I could see taking a while. So you're saying automated vehicles are going to have to wait for someone else to do it first then incorporate it a year or two later? /Applejokes
My bad if I misread you. I thought you were saying automated vehicles would increase demand and create more sales. I believe the opposite will happen.
Na I was just saying the car business is a massive market. There doesn't need 90% demand to move a lot of units. Hell 10% demand is still close to 2 million units as of now.