I'll take this as you conceding you aren't a better judge of automotive credibility than Motor Trend. If only we could glean something about that publication's credibility by the former publication citing them. Hmmm.
They are both reporting the same thing. It was HAND TIMED. You glass over that. When the track reports is as official, please post it. I'll be interested then and give props where due.
This is such a quick change of gears from attacking that publication's credibility that I think maybe you could set a record lap in the Tesla.
No, I said two things. 1. You nor I have ever heard if the publication until that tweet. 2. It was hand timed. You got hung up on 1 bc 2 doesn't fit your narrative. Again, when they run an official time, it'll matter. Until then, it doesn't... unless you're a site looking for clicks or a stan looking to pimp Urban Meyer 40 times.
Also, has someone in here been claiming it was an official time? I'm confused why it's such a gotcha that it's hand-timed.
My initial post was in reference to it being hand timed. That's where the UF 40 times post came from. I later called them a random German blog. Sorry, I should have called them a random German publication. One that you nor I know anything about. You focused on that part to move the subject off it being hand timed. Again, when they run an official time and the track verifies it, please post it.
In your mind, what is the significance of us having not heard of the publication? The tweet had a link to the article. If I was trying to hide the fact that it was hand-timed I did a real shit job.
Do you believe anything you read online when you don't know the source? Or you read the tweet and ran here to pimp it without actually reading the article.
Not just anything, but if a reputable source cites something them then I have no problem with it. And no, I have an actual good-faith interest in discussing Tesla so I read everything I post in here.
Damn, you got me dbl. I like EVs. Shit with this level of investigative journalism maybe you could work for Auto Motor und Sport magazine.
Whether hand timed or laser timed, the fact a Tesla was able to beat a Porsche timed lap is pretty fucking impressive. Hats off to Elon and his team for a pretty remarkable accomplishment which most thought they would never even have a chance to attempt.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/cars/elon-musk-tesla-plaid-mode/index.html Another milestone seemed to have occurred in Germany, too. On Tuesday, Road & Track, citing an unnamed eyewitness with a timer, reported that a highly modified Tesla Model S had lapped the Nordschleife, or North loop, in just seven minutes and 23 seconds, nearly 20 seconds faster than the Taycan. Other publications, including the German magazine, Auto Motor Und Sport, also wrote about the lap. The lap times aren't entirely comparable, though, because Porsche's record lap was in a final production version of the Taycan Turbo, while the Tesla was apparently a test car, not a street-legal production car. Much of its interior had been removed, making the car lighter, for instance, according to media reports. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...sla-model-s-beats-porsche-taycan-nurburgring/ According to local Nurburgring experts, the two Model S prototypes lapping the Nurburgring are nothing like the EVs you can buy from Tesla today. Our inside source describes the cars as being "stripped to the gunwales," the interiors fully gutted of anything apart from the necessary seats, harnesses, and driver controls—hence the dark-tinted windows, it seems. And we're nearly certain these prototypes are sporting a brand-new, three-motor ultra-high-performance drivetrain—one motor for each rear wheel, and one powering the front axle. Tesla CEO Elon Musk says this ultra-high-performance drivetrain—nicknamed "Plaid," the logical conclusion to the automaker's many Spaceballs references—will be available on production Model S, Model X and Roadster sometime next year. The cars are also running on huge, wide aftermarket wheels wearing unusual tires—Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport RS, a brand-new track-oriented (but still street legal) tire just introduced this year. Currently, those tires are not available on any Tesla model, and the Nurburgring prototypes wear add-on fender flares to cover the extra-wide wheel-and-tire setup. Our eyewitness also noted that the Teslas have huge carbon-ceramic brakes, possibly Brembo SGLs, the type used on top-spec performance cars from Lamborghini, Mercedes and more. And as we mentioned previously, the Teslas seen at the 'Ring also feature aggressive aerodynamic mods including a substantial rear Gurney flap.
I get why they are doing it but this pissing match and comparing apples to oranges from both sides is dumb. Both are incredibly fast and I'm sure a blast to drive. I would be interested in a comparison between two production vehicles that I can buy today, but like I said, it really wouldn't mean much.
We've all known it wasn't a production vehicle at least since the tweet I posted last night, if not before.
The info I saw said it had Plaid, which won't be available for a year+, if ever. I didn't see anything that said it was a gutted race car.
Amazon will order 100,000 electric delivery vans from EV startup Rivian, Jeff Bezos says theverge.com/2019/9... Rivian is a relatively new name in the electric vehicle industry, having only debuted its pickup truck and SUV at the end of November 2018. But the company has been operating in stealth since 2009. Originally founded to make something that competed with Tesla’s first car, the Lotus-based Roadster, Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe eventually pivoted the company toward a more action-adventure customer segment.
Interesting. Amazon currently contracts out their local delivery. I guess they are going to be taking it in house?
Yea I remember seeing one and liking it. It definitely makes sense for Amazon to bring it in house. I have a client that has a contract for an area in Georgia. He has a fleet of vans and he makes an obscene amount of money doing it. From what I understand his guys go to Amazon's local warehouse to pick up product and then deliver it.
Tesla with a 3 motor version of the Model S? How fucking fast is that?? With 2 motors it's 0-60 in 2.4s. 3 motors has to be pushing 2.0s, yea? and.....what if they used a motor for all 4 tires? At some point there is a limit to how fast the tires can rotate without slipping, which obviously is why the 3 motor version had wider tires on the test track.
The Porsche did the same thing, it’s common practice for all car companies on the track. They strip the seats to balance out the weight from adding a roll cage, racing harness etc.
Amazon is an investor in Rivian, I’m sure they will use them for most things going forward. Electric delivery vehicles make sense economically for them.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29088855/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-nurburgring-lap-time/ Porsche Might Be Sitting on a Faster Taycan Nürburgring Lap Time A Porsche Taycan Turbo set the 7:42 record, which begs the question: What can a Taycan Turbo S do?
Chinese electric car company NIO looks like it is on the fast track to insolvency Their bonds due in 2024 are trading at 25 cents They lost $400 million 2q and have $400 in cash/equivalent on hand
Rivian is doing this for their truck/SUV by using smaller motors. Like you mentioned, the tires are the limiting factor, and the power electronics are programmed to ramp the power in a controlled manner as opposed to delivering it immediately.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/business/hyundai-invest-tech/index.html Hyundai is investing $35 billion in autonomous driving and electric cars
Consensus a year ago was $2 per share profit for this quarter now the day before earnings it’s a 25 cents loss