Just bought a base model highlander for my wife for 27k that has adaptive cruise and lane departure alert with steering assist. The steering assist keeps you from drifting and will make small corrective changes.
It’s shocking that someone whose ambulance chasing career could be negatively affected by this technology is what the youths call, a “hater.” The facts are that there have been two US automobile companies in history that haven’t gone broke or been bought out. Ford and Tesla. Making it this far is a monumental achievement in and of itself. Throw in the reality of all other auto companies moving toward automation and electric motors, and the Model 3 being in its infancy stage, Musk’s influence on the world will be substantial even if Tesla never made another vehicle.
I think he does. I think his point, if you've watched the video, is that a human driver would've hit this woman too.
Of course I do. It’s about comparing the safety to human drivers. Not one person on this board would’ve avoided that dipshit based on the conditions other than Houndster who would’ve been so high on marijuana cigarettes that he’d have been in the left lane already. Automated vehicles will continue to improve and will be exponentially safer than humans. Freaking out over this accident is being willfully ignorant.
Thank god. Offer's still open to come drive my Model 3 when I get it. Just deciding between waiting for the all wheel drive or not. I’ll keep you updated.
I should have mentioned Toyota is doing that standard with the star safety system. Most people don’t have $27k to go buy brand new cars tho, that’s still very expensive Like for it to happen quickly everyone in America would need to go buy a brand new car in the next decade. That isn’t happening. I absolutely agree it will happen, and will be a good thing, but it will be a good while before the majority of cars on the road have this technology The average car on the road in America is 11.5 years. That pre dates ABS becoming mandated by law. The average driver doesn’t have Bluetooth in their car let alone a crash avoidance system
I think I was the only one to make any sort of claims about the next 10 years and I only said I thought at least 50% of all new vehicles would come with some sort of autonomous feature within the next 10 years.
Oh sure 50% of new cars will come with those options in 10 years. 50% of cars on the road won’t have it but absolutely on new cars. Sorry if I misunderstood
New Altima will have semi-autonomous driving. Lease on my car is coming up on a few months. Might take a look. And optional AWD
While I’m thinking of it, two biggest factors in insurance premiums: Credit score Level of education True or false?
You can barely buy a Ford Taurus for $27k. There are millions of cars on the road more expensive than that especially considering the payment on that is a few hundred a month. You’re underselling this big time.
There are many more millions of cars on the road less expensive than that. You’re way underestimating the number of poor people my dude
The expense of new technology always finds a steep decline once the demand is there, much like how air conditioning in a car was once considered cost prohibitive or HD TVs. Similar to A/C, people will soon refuse to buy new a car without automated driving features.
If nothing else it would solve the distracted driving problem. Seems like around 1 in 10 people on the freeway are looking at their phone at any given time
Again, I don’t disagree with the growth of the technology. I’m simply stating it will take a long time to reach majority or universal status because of the car buying habits of the average American
Like if the average car is 11.5 or 14 years old or whatever it is, and starting tomorrow every single manufacturer started delivering every single model with adaptive cruise and lane keeping, then it would be somewhere between 2030 and 2035 before the average American had those features, if you ignore the fact that the average vehicle age has been increasing and is likely to continue to do so. And those features are great and save lives but they are not true self driving cars. Manufacturers are doing amazing things but these options as a standard feature are still a ways off. I would think we’ll have “most” cars on the road with some form of driverless feature probably in 20-25 years but that’s just a guess. I do think most new vehicles will have these features in the next 5ish years but manufacturers will still produce cheap bare bones car too that won’t have them. I love this tech and think it will save a lot of lives, I just disagree that it will make its way to the average driver in a “quick” manner. Could certainly be wrong and hopefully I am
One wildcard factor in this is that the way people buy cars is changing rapidly. The new “subscription” models where you pay a manufacturer a certain rate and get access to choose and swap out a certain class of their fleet could certainly reduce in more lightly used cars and bring that markets prices down. The automobile industry is changing in general so I certainly don’t know all the answers about how this goes down, I’m just more bearish on the speed at which this tech becomes universal is all. If it were up to me President Bernie would give everyone a new car every year but that isn’t reality
Haven’t read much of this debate but one thing I keep thinking about when the discussion of all autonomous vehicles is the fact that there are so many old cars still on the road. People drive 15,20,25 year old cars. I don’t see how we get a transition to all autonomous faster than people get new cars.
$27k is probably a tad on the higher side of average but the first thing salesmen ask you when you decide on a car is ‘what do you want your payments to be?’ Tons and tons of people out there driving cars that are probably beyond their means but that’s another story.
I've seen a stat recently that 9 people die every day as a result of distracted driving. Weigh that against the 1 person that's killed every 1.3 years (?) as a result of autonomous driving, and it seems really fucking stupid argument that we need to scale back this idea. 1 person killed isn't good, but 3200 people die every year just from being distracted while driving. That number goes to 0 when you eliminate the need to be focused on driving. Flip that around the other way, if autonomous cars were the majority of cars on the road, and they killed, let's say 10 people a year, and people started to want to drive themselves, but when they did, every day 9 people were killed, what would we say? It wouldn't even be a discussion, we'd tell people to shut the fuck up and stop trying to drive.
also, weigh those number against the number of people autonomous cars save every year, and I'll bet it's a net positive. I'll bet it's a pretty large net positive.
I heard a talk recently at a tech conference where the speaker said in the very near future, we are going to be asking ourselves why we ever allow as individuals to control and drive a vehicle while being as flawed and open to distraction. I couldn't agree more.
It's such a no-brainer. let people drive cars and kill 9 people a day, or let cars drive themselves and kill a few people a year? hmmm tough choice. I mean, if self-driving cars killed 1000 people a year, that's still 2200 lives saved every year. I guess somehow the control of your own car/self/life plays a role here. If I'm driving my car and do something dumb and I die, that's more acceptable than if I'm just sitting in my car and it makes a mistake and I die. Which, I do see. But the numbers we are talking about here don't really justify that huge concern. Plus, when we are on the road we are always subject to being killed or injured by that bad or distracted driver. It's not just you killing yourself because you were texting, it's you killing someone else who was doing nothing wrong because you were texting.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/driverless-dilemma/ Here's a really good podcast that goes into the human psychology of driverless cars. Super interesting.
It’s absolutely going to save a lot of people’s lives. The insurance industry loves this stuff. They would much rather insure against weather and theft and vandalism and not have to try and accurately predict accident rates and be on the hook for massive injury bills. Reduced loss of life and lower insurance premiums will be two huge benefits of this stuff, not to mention increased productivity of people who will be able to accomplish shit while driving.
Probably nowhere near that number, but regardless, if some people have to adapt for society to benefit and life expectancy to increase then that’s a reasonable trade off
Like if I have to adapt and change industries because millions of people aren’t dying in car accidents I’m fine with that. Some may not be
You mean you aren't going to go out kicking and screaming and calling for regressive policies so you don't have to adapt? cough *COAL* cough
Are you just going to keep doubling down that we should resist massive life savings measures due to job issues