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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by TheFreak55, Apr 29, 2015.
You better duck.
Most people haven't had the financial wherewithal to buy one no matter how much they might like the car/company/electric vehicles up until quite recently. Or, like me, they would like to own one but it doesn't work for my family to own a sedan at this point in my life. I like the idea of a major electric vehicle carmaker. I think it's the future and Tesla is forcing major car makers to invest in electric vehicles when they were otherwise happy with the status quo. Otherwise idgaf about Musk or Tesla specifically. I'm just happy about the market changes and the technology.
In what sense do you mean? To me theres a lot of misinformation on EV's, what makes it less convenient to you cause to me the opposite could be argued.
How many times a week do you stop at a gas station to get gas? You never have to do that again if you have a home charger. Your car is literally filled up every day the moment you walk out to it and this is 90% of your gas station trips, to and from work or to stores locally.
On a trip*
It's not but thinking that it's always going to be like that is a very unreasonable take. One day in the very near future it will be able to be your only vehicle
Right. Charging stations and battery technology are the iPhone 3 right now. It's a legitimate complaint that it's less convenient to take a trip currently. It won't always be that way if they can continue to innovate and grow. Then it will no longer be a complaint.
You keep attempting to project on me as a homer when you're clearly the opposite.
Explaining to someone using old charging times and the newer viability vs gas powered cars isn't crying or getting made, it's just explaining the new tech.
Specifically him siting a 50 min charge time. Explaining the options and how it isn't as bad as he thinks, doesn't make someone a homer
Gotcha, I mean to me once these V3 chargers are out everywhere it really doesn't become that big of a deal. But that day isn't today.
i just said i would rent a car if i was going on a long drive and i had an EV because i'm not trying to chill in texarkana for 80 minutes while my car charges. i also don't take long stops when driving, so i may be in the minority. i could definitely see myself having an EV someday for use in town and then either renting or having another car for longer trips.
Yup and with the new V3 it is a major chunk out of that complaint. Which is what everyone is saying
Right. It's not a barrier to owning a Tesla. It is a barrier to a Tesla being your only vehicle if you want greater range or more travel flexibility. But that's today and probably not in 10 years. Infrastructure takes a long time.
are there even any of the new chargers installed anywhere? and considering elon's promises are worth jack shit, lets start talking about the new charge times when there are a few that are actually operational.
You still have to stop where there's a station.
Right, but you're ignoring the discussion point that 50 minutes will soon be obsolete.
That's all anyone is saying. A 10 minute stop vs 25 isn't that bad. 10 vs 50 is kinda awful
It's not. But it's literally baked into buying an electric car. If it's an issue, then you don't buy one. This isn't some hard problem that takes a lot of thought to understand. Dbl is hunting for people to call homers and fanboys.
That's like saying you have to stop at an exit that has a gas station vs a rest stop.
Yeah, a computer tells you where to go
i agree. if there was a charger at every gas station that took 10 minutes to charge then fuck yeah thats awesome. right now there isn't
I get your musk hate, kind of, not sure if they are out yet
kslim probably knows. I mainly just follow what's posted here
It won't always be that way. If charging stations become as ubiquitous as gas stations and charging technology improves even a little bit it won't be a legit complaint anymore.
You do understand most places in this country don't have a readily available charging station don't you.
I'd think for a ton of people, 25 isn't that bad and acceptable.
For me it would be, where I think 50 is not
I disagree in 10 years. This again is a lack of information to me, you have a LR Tesla Model 3 that can go 325mi to a full charge. 4 hours of driving at 75 is 300 miles, I don't know about you but stopping for 25 minutes to eat, piss, and stretch my legs and having 230+ more miles does not seem like a major inconvenience. So 1 stop for 25 minutes and I'm driving 7 hours or 530 miles.
Like we are discussing a 25 minute wait that may happen 5 times? a year for most americans. Where as how often do you go to a gas station to fill up every week, its just a small trade off to me.
Yes, but there are easily enough along the vast majority of routes that its fine.
Like, I travel several times a year where there is not one single charging station.
what if its cold?
"old charging times" aka what's actually available to 99.999999% of the people driving today.
I argue that quoting times only available at one beta site in SF is pretty disingenuous.
We are discussing the new news.
Cmon man. Keep up
There's isn't a V3 charger in Texarkana.
It's not just a wait. It's a quantity of charging stations. Not everybody lives in or drives through major cities on their trips.
This is really getting embarrassing
He's talking about taking a trip today. Not some fairy tale future where they are powered by the sun and never need a charge. We're talking today.
BUT THERE WILL BE SO YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR NOT WANTING ONE TODAY!
Sigh. That's not the original point of the conversation which was based on the new charging station news.
Nearly everyone agrees 50 minutes is too long. The news and the 25 minutes is what the entire thread is talking about. Christ
It generally won't be an issue. Almost all the time, in fact. And 25 minutes is a huge improvement. It's ok to admit there are still a few downsides currently though.
Beginning today, we’re opening the first public beta site in the Bay Area, which will incrementally be made available to owners in Tesla’s Early Access Program. We’re launching V3 Supercharging for Model 3, our highest volume vehicle, and we’ll continue to expand access as we review and assess the results of millions of charging events. We will increase Model S and X charging speeds via software updates in the coming months. V3 Supercharging will roll out to the wider fleet in an over the air firmware update to all owners in Q2 as more V3 Superchargers come online. Our first non-beta V3 Supercharger site will break ground next month, with North American sites ramping in Q2 and Q3 before coming to Europe and Asia-Pacific in Q4.
Pretty sure everyone admits that. I have.
25 minutes would be a game changer for me
For sure, I cant comment on your drive I do know Tesla targets major interstates but it looks like Nebraska doesn't have many stations. Probably also has to do with lack of cars there to begin with.
My point more has to do with the technology to do most major drives now exists and is reasonable to most people. The next step is implementation and expansion of that technology, I think we will see more availability in a sooner time period than 10 years not counting the chance that more 3rd party chargers come online.
I took a detour on a 500 mile trip last spring because of real bad weather. I had a tough time finding gas stations for quite a bit of it let alone charging stations. That's not a large % of the population but it is a large % of the landmass. It'll take at least 10 years for any ubiquitous charging station travel that's not major interstates imo. There needs to be demand and Tesla needs to be able to offer an affordable vehicle which they are currently obviously efforting.
Yea unfortunately your state will be probably one of the last to get really good coverage. But on the bright side theres some promising stuff with batteries being talked about so we will see what the future holds.
But not just Nebraska but large portions of the entire center part of the country. Like, giant landmasses (Montana, Wyoming, SD, ND, NE, KS, IA, Rural Missouri, Iowa, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Idaho). If you want to take an interstate that's cool but if you're going any other route you'll have a bad time. I know this probably doesn't apply to a lot of people or other people don't gaf about that but it's a legit concern for probably half the states?
Yea if Im driving from Witchita,Kansas to Tucumcari, NM that would be an inconvenient detour or a round trip from North Platte Nebraska to Valentine Nebraska would be impossible to make right now. Is there future build out that needs to happen in rural areas? Absolutely. Do they cover most major vacation destination drives already? Yes. Can you drive across the country? Yes.
Again we are getting into a smaller % of scenarios here that don't happen for a large majority of the population. Supercharging was first rolled out in 2013 its grown to cover the US in all major cities and routes in 5 years. As Tesla sells more cars and accrues more money they will continue to develop more stations and coverage in the US and worldwide. It's like when cellphones first rolled out.
Tesla cant focus on fringe cases right now or small subsets of the population who probably aren't interested in buying their current offerings anyways.
I love the suggestion in here today that there are a lot of people who 1) take 5+ hour drives, 2) don't plan them and want to be able to stop wherever, whenever, 3) only allot one stop, 4) and do it with enough frequency that a Tesla isn't practical for them.
Tesla's aren't practical for a lot of people, myself included. But that doesn't include the above group, because those people don't actually exist. And certainly not in any meaningful size.
I’ve seen quite a few in my travels quik trip is the main place to go in the Midwest. Btw I think you tagged the wrong person
1. Those drives are quite common. My wife makes a 6 hour drive every 4-6 weeks.
2. Who plans their stops? I stop when I need to stop.
3. If I get hungry, I stop. If I run out of gas, I stop. If I need to piss, I stop. Now that I have a kid, if she shits, I stop. Without her, I'm only stopping for gas, food, or bathroom. I don't plan any of those. I just hit the next exit when the time arises.
4. Once every 4-6 weeks is frequent enough.
Exactly. You're fine with stopping multiple times.
For the record, there are also four superchargers between Jacksonville and Mobile. So this whole "I'm forced to stop in Tallahassee" bit was stupid from the get go.
I never said I wasn't. I literally just posted a rebuttal to your insane statement that those people dont exist.
The 2 in Lake City dont matter bc I cant make it from Lake City to Mobile (350 miles). And Jax to Defuniak is 300 miles so that's pushing it. So the only 1 stop option is Tallahassee. Do the mileage next time before you call something stupid.
This discussion would go a lot easier if you'd make up your mind about whether or not you're okay with making multiple stops.