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  1. ksim14

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    It’s sad, the biggest thing to me is if this guy knew this exact situation was a problem at the time why are you not paying attention at this interchange.
     
  2. dblplay1212

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  3. ksim14

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    To be fair and for context her bear case is $700 a share and her bull case (Robo taxis and all) is $4000+ over 5 years.
     
  4. Where Eagles Dare

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    I honestly didn't really read it, but thought ppl here would enjoy it
     
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  6. Where Eagles Dare

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    Their fund is up 28% this year, not bad.
     
  7. Handcuffed

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    So is the market

    https://ark-funds.com/arkk

    if i'm reading this right, their performance has been in lockstep with their benchmark. they were up 0.02% in Q1 and are down about that much so far in Q2.

    and like most active funds, you'd be losing money when you take into account fees versus investing in a mutual fund.
     
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    Better investment strategy than losing $$ shorting a single stock :idk: bc twitter and you hate the CEO
     
  9. Handcuffed

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    is that supposed to be a dig at me? i haven't lost (or gained) a single dollar investing long or short on tesla.

    i would agree that having a balanced portfolio is a good idea. both towards investing with/against tesla or, it would seem, with these other people.
     
  10. Where Eagles Dare

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    No

    HTH
     
  11. ksim14

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    I don’t believe ARKK has a comparable benchmark, it’s a fairly unique ETF focusing on innovative companies.

    It’s definitely outperformed the S&P.
     
  12. dblplay1212

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    Her bear case is a 275% increase.

    :laugh:
     
  13. Where Eagles Dare

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    I don't think you are. NAV (Net Asset Value) vs Market Price is just two ways to look at the stock price, not their performance vs the benchmark
     
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  14. dblplay1212

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    S&P 500 is up 25% on the year. ARKK being up 28% isnt that impressive. Their biggest position is down 30% on the year. Their numbers would look much better if they weren't heavy on Tesla.
     
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    that makes more sense. honestly, really impressive considering the market has been up about ~25% and their largest holding (TSLA) has been down 20% ytd. wonder what equities have been leading them.
     
  16. Where Eagles Dare

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    The S&P 500 is not up 25% on the year. It is up 17.33%

    This fund is beating a broad market index by 62%. That is very impressive

    HTH
     
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    S&P500 is only 17%. 2,510 to 2,945

    And to answer your question, their 2nd largest position is up like 150%
     
  18. dblplay1212

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    I'm not surprised you're running to hype this fund that you know nothing about bc they are shilling for Tesla. Never could have predicted that.
     
  19. Where Eagles Dare

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    Yes, here I am solely correcting you saying false things. I brought the subject here for ppl to laugh at. Literally have no idea who this woman/fund is. Just correction you

    But...

    YoU'rE a TeSlA StAn

    Shockingly enough, you're ignorant, spouting wrong stats trying to be a shill for $TSLA fanboys and looking like a fucking idiot doing so. Yet I'm the homer. Look in the mirror, dipshit
     
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  20. dblplay1212

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    Excuse me, I think the numbers I saw were from 1/3, not 1/2. S&P dipped on 1/3 and is up like 22% since that day.
     
  21. Where Eagles Dare

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    You're still wrong.

    It is up 20.3% since 1/3. So this fund is still beating the market by 37.5%. That is very good w/out accounting for market risk

    HTH

    Are you just a "Stan" for ignorance?
     
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  22. dblplay1212

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    You'd never heard of this fund 2 hours ago yet you're going to bat hard for them. :laugh:

    Sorry, it's up 20.3%, not 25%. I was throwing numbers off the top of my head.
     
  23. Where Eagles Dare

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    Only your dumb ass would call someone stating facts as "Going to bat hard hard for them"

    I'm sorry you're wrong and look stupid.

    That's a big difference. 25% off. HTH
     
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    this is a really weird thing you're on. i literally know nothing about this fund. i don't care about it at all. it's not relevant to tesla at all but you've tagged me four times today.

    but why would you compare a tech stock or a tech fund to the S&P instead of the nasdaq? the nasdaq is the tech index.

    "HTH" your weird ass discussion with dbl
     
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  25. dblplay1212

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    He has a longstanding hard on for me. Any "gotcha!" is worth 3 pages, minimum.
     
  26. Where Eagles Dare

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    I don't either. Just correcting number.

    I haven't tagged you at all. I've solely responded to you :idk:

    Just comparing to a broad market index number. Not exactly sure what the fund tracks as besides "innovative" companies as their prospective that was linked stated and the CNBC article.

    I did mention market risk above as well, which could make her return awful & no one is really accounting for that.
     
  27. Where Eagles Dare

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    :roll:

    no. I just corrected the numbers put out ITT. You've turned it into an argument, changing dates & attempting to call me a Shill/Stan
     
  28. ksim14

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    In 5 years
     
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    Cathie wood is even worse than gerber
     
  30. dblplay1212

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    1 year, 5 years, doesnt matter. Double the all time high as a bear scenario is laughable.
     
  31. ksim14

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    Overall she’s bullish on the stock so her “bear” prediction is still a positive one. We won’t know if it’s laughable or not until 5 years from now.
     
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  33. dblplay1212

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    Its laughable. She may get lucky and be right but that doesnt change the fact today that shes just shilling for her position. Suggesting bear case is 275% growth is batshit insane for any stock. Suggesting 1,600% growth for a bull scenario is just saying a prayer and hoping. $700 would be reasonable for a 5 year bull case. Her numbers aren't reasonable.
     
  34. Where Eagles Dare

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    Tesla growth over last 5-6 years....

    1,100% to 1,400%

    :warn:
     
  35. dblplay1212

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    You posted her article bc you believe it. :laugh:
     
  36. Where Eagles Dare

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    I literally said why I posted it ITT bc ppl would enjoy it.

    I have no idea what the stock will do. I'm 100% positive they aren't going to fold in the next two quarters from whatever today's date is like some.

    Have you ever thought of looking in the mirror? Your anger and need to make everything black/white for pro/con Tesla makes you exactly the name calling you try to label others.

    Quit projecting
     
  37. dblplay1212

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    I comment when Tesla fanboys jump the shark. If she had said 300-500%, whatever. That's extremely bullish but reasonable. A 1600% projection for any stock is laughable and an obvious shill. 275% for a bear case is just as dumb. Do I think they'll go bankrupt? No. Do I think there's above a 0% chance they go bankrupt? Yes.

    Roughly 40% growth over last 5 btw.

     
  38. Where Eagles Dare

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    That's why I said 5-6 yrs

    In 2013 it was $25. Once again you post ignorant shit trying to so hard to make an anti-telsa point when one really isn't needed and you fail.

    She's runs/owns a fund and manages billions of dollars. She not that successful bc she's a "shill". She definitely has projections, math, and Analysis to project that level of growth. Much more than just a random guess from a Twitter account. I agree that the growth numbers are absurd, that is exactly why I posted it. I said as much.

    Tesla is no where near a mature company, we've seen them grow 1,000% in a short period of time. If, and it's a big if, Elon can execute his vision of full automation, Tesla Uber app, etc, the 5 year projection is probably spot on. I doubt it'll happen in 5 years


    I find it funny how you only attempt to call out people who are pro Tesla, in your opinion, but say nothing to the endless posts of Tesla going bankrupt in the next 60 to 90 days.
     
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    1. You said 1100%-1400% in the last 5-6. Its 40% in the last 5. You can spin whatever you want from there.

    2. She can be successful and still be a shill at the same time. It's to her benefit for the stock to go up.

    3. Yea if they start making flying cars that make a drink for you while it flys you around at 1200 mph while picking up other people along the route so you can make money on your commute, all while the car appreciates in value, I'm sure there stock will go up a lot. Will they? No. BUT THEY COULD!

    4. Endless posts? There's one guy and we all know he was incredibly biased when he was saying it.
     
  40. beerme

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    I think this thread is angrier then when conservative posters enter the trumpocalypse thread
     
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  41. Bricktop the white

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    One of my favorite things to do is read insane Tesla stan posts and replace the word Tesla with Enron
     
  42. REGGNECK

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    Does anyone in here own a Tesla?
     
  43. Bo Pelinis

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    Took a shortish road trip in one this last week. They’re tight.
     
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    The fully autonomous function works surprisingly well even in crazy traffic.
     
  46. Where Eagles Dare

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    Dude, I'm 100% posting factual stats. They went from 25 to 250-350 in 5 years. It's not spin when it is facts.
    That's not how fund managers are successful. They don't get paid millions to be shills
    So now you have to branch out into the realm of the impossible in an attempt to drive your anti-Tesla point home.

    You are ent to bed and lost the appreciation discussion the last time, where you couldn't comprehend a basic premise and had to move the goal posts and make up arguments no one said, which you're doing here again.

    But everyone else is a "Shill" and a "Stan" for merely discussing Tesla :laugh:

    One guy?? There are others but you find it acceptable for them to post bc you've somehow joined that team
     
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    This post from not even two months ago seems relevant as dblplay1212 enlightens us on what an appropriate growth projection for Tesla looks like.
     
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    I didnt think that's available for public use.