Texas is a very dumb and broke ass state

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  1. TAS

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    Personally, he came off as an empty suit. I didn't hate him, but I don't think he was a compelling candidate. We need a real sicko with some conviction that prevents them from backing down.
     
  2. bigred77

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    Sounds like you are defining a politician
     
  3. Gallant Knight

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    He’s a DNC consultant candidate

    oh young men like football right? Allred played football kind of

    100% moderate positions

    afraid to call out GOP bullshit

    Nothing creative at all

    asks for money constantly
     
  4. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    I agree Talarico is better than Allred. But I would vote for a pulsating butt plug against the Texas GOP.
     
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  5. Hoss Bonaventure

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    I got 2 texts yesterday about it and it’s weird because:
    1. I’ve never donated to the campaign.
    2. I have an Arkansas number that I’ve had for 25 years so whoever Alexandria is that they’re trying to text had to somehow magically come up with my random phone number so they wouldn’t get all these spam texts.
    Touché Alexandria.
     
  6. TAS

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    If you've ever donated to a Dem candidate, every other Dem candidate probably has your number
     
  7. pez

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    The flooding is crazy. Still 20 kids missing?
     
  8. jokewood

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    All of my brother's girls have camped at Mystic. One was there last month. It's awful.
     
  9. a.tramp

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    My lord, another event happened last night around Leander/Libery Hill and the South San Gabriel River. Leander is a far north suburb of Austin and Liberty Hill is out in the country past that. 19” of rain in one spot.
     
  10. Hoss Bonaventure

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    20 missing and there’s a bunch of people that died. 22” or something like that just outta nowhere.
     
  11. Andy Reocho

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    Don’t worry guys, the local PD is blaming the NWS for (checks notes) issuing an alert ahead of time. I’m sure next it will be Biden’s fault.

    The missing piece of this viral post is that the Texas officials are lying and deflecting blame. The NWS, hobbled as it is, issued an accurate flood watch for Kerr County the evening before and accurate escalating warnings overnight as the flood was developing.

    southpaw (@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social) 2025-07-05T12:28:57.182Z
     
  12. a.tramp

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    I think the biggest takeaway from this is the lack of a siren system along this stretch of river. Local officials are on record claiming it is the deadliest river flood basin in the country yet there is no active warning system such as a tornado/storm siren? That appears to be a pretty big fail, especially after such an event as 1987. Ain’t NWS job to secure infrastructure for localities.
     
  13. texasraider

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    Just an outright tragedy.

    A friend’s niece was at the camp. Her bunkmate’s little sister is one of the one’s missing.

    Apparently they woke up at 3am with 3 feet of water in their cabin and rising. The counselor did her best to get the girls to safety. They were using a clothesline to hang on when it broke and some girls were washed away.

    Even if it wasn’t at 3am I wonder how impossibly difficult it would have been to evacuate the camp.

    I guess I’m just not in the mood right now to find blame.
     
  14. bruce bowen

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    All these people know how to do is deflect and attack others. Why is it so hard in this moment to say a flood of this magnitude was an unpredictable tragedy.
     
  15. bigred77

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    Trying to track the flood waters headed down the river yesterday surprised me how far between they have the sensors

    The last sensor along the river before canyon lake is at the 281 Bridge in spring branch
    That sensor was showing the flooding waters starting to hit there at like midnight
    The next sensor down the line at canyon lake didn't start showing the water hitting there until 7:15 am

    That's a lot of river not being monitored
     
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    1. Disgusting.

    2. Throwing that direct of blame/deflection this early (while there literally might be kids alive in need of rescue) is a big red flag in every documentary that the police are hiding something.

    Who thinks to blame the weatherman (whose funding he and his community definitely voted to cut…) for a tragedy less than 24 hours after it happens?
     
  17. Bruce Wayne

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    It's hard to think of a state that hates kids more than Texas. What a shithole state
     
  18. Where Eagles Dare

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    Don't forget "good election strategy" like sucking up to Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney. They'll drive voters to the polls
     
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  19. NineteenNine

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    Fuck these people. No better than the Uvalde police. Kids are dead, let’s make sure and blame someone. Fuck off.
     
  20. NineteenNine

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  23. NineteenNine

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    Nope. Biden’s fault.
     
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    can you post the other 3
     
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    Edited
     
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  27. bigred77

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    Biden trained all the meteorologist
     
  28. BudKilmer

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    Good news everyone, flooding and hurricanes are no more
     
  29. bigred77

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    That's insane
     
  30. lunchbox

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    This as so bad. I don’t know anyone missing, but some of my good friends do.
     
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  31. buy_dont_lease

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    bigred77 are you on the water? You guys ok?
     
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  32. bigred77

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    We good
    Water came up a few inches over the dock boards on our side of the lake, nothing bad
    Llano river side of our lake got docks fucked up

    Rained like hell all-around us, but not where it floods us personally
     
  33. texasraider

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    I don’t know. It says Christian right there in the bio so she knows a thing or two about floods
     
  34. oldberg

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    Accidentally making fossil fuels illegal
     
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  37. IV

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    Apparently a young girl from Bham didn’t make it
     
  38. The Banks

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    But it was predicted. The owners of the camp decided it was a risk they were willing to take.

    NWS Flood Watch: 2 PM 7/3
    NWS Flood Warning 1 AM 7/4

    They had 14 hours from the watch and 3 hours from the warning.
     
  39. WhiskeyDelta

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    contrast this to when I had to evacuate a summer camp cuz of a hurricane that did a total of $2million “damage” almost all of which was lost revenue.

    you don’t take calculated risks with kids. You get them to fucking high ground.
     
  40. Old_Gregg

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    The 1 am flood warning said that 1-2 inches of rain had fallen and an additional 2-3 inches were possible. It also did not specify a river but only areas of two counties. The flood watch said 1-3 inches of rain with potential localized amounts of 5-7. They received over 10 inches in under 3 hours.

    The flood warning for the Guadalupe river was issued at 5:34 am by the NWS. That was 2 hours after the camp was underwater.
     
  41. Old_Gregg

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    This cannot be compared to a hurricane. A more comparable situation is a Tornado. And a flood watch means little to people in the hill country or southeast Texas. We get them constantly. The Texas hill country had over 6,000 flash floods from 2005-2020. This camp and its current owners had been through the 1987 flood which was worse than this one. The camp sits high enough that a flash flood from a 5-7 inches rain storm does not affect it. And that is what was predicted as the top end of the scenarios.
     
  42. texasraider

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    They issue flood watches and warnings all the time in Texas. So much so that I’ve never concerned myself with them.
     
  43. a.tramp

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    Failing to take a hard look at this just sets the future up for the same tragedies. Maybe today or a week from today is not the time but things literally can be done to prevent this. I don’t think the answer lies in pushing blame along with cutting weather related funding. The answer lies with everyone involved realizing there is/was more that could have been done on their own part and ensuring system(s) are put in place to safeguard against future catastrophes.

    Towns investing in warning sirens. Dams have them here for the release of water and you can hear them 10 miles downstream. Same can be done for flash floods. Towns actually having plans in place instead of blowing off emergency preparedness meetings quarter after quarter, year after year. Businesses and religious organizations/churches realizing they are in charge and have a responsibility to their guests if they chose to operate in a flash flood plane on a river. Anyone that has ever driven through that area should get weak-kneed thinking about this exact scenario with how choked it is. Beautiful and water convenient, yes. But still a place looking for events like this to occur.

    Weather service can just issue watches and warning, which the did in plenty. It is up to responsible adults to do with that information what they may.
     
  44. bigred77

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    What we don't know at this point is what the camp actually did or didn't do

    Everyone assumes they didn't do shit

    We don't know shit about what was really happening there.
    I am sure they have plans laid out for fire, floods, etc.
    How long does it take activate a plan and evacuate that many kids at 2am?
    Was some of their evacuation efforts cut off by the historic flooding waters that came through?

    We don't know any of that stuff at this point, but we do know the camp director is among the missing/dead. I assume he or she wasn't just sleeping through notifications in thier hilltop cabin.
     
  45. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Yay, holiday weekend power outage!!!
     
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  46. The Banks

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    The 1 AM forecast update said 5” per hour was possible. They also said that some of their models showed more than 5-7”

    The 1:46 AM warning, and 8 subsequent warnings were all sent to cells phones through the emergency system. The people had this information and chose to ignore it out of hubris.

    “At 146 AM CDT, Doppler radar indicated thunderstorms producing heavy
    rain across the warned area. Between 2 and 4 inches of rain have fallen. The expected rainfall is 2 to 4 inches in 1 hour. Additional rainfall amounts of 1 to 3 inches are possible in the warned area. Flash flooding is ongoing or expected to begin shortly.”

    So 2-4” had fallen, let’s call it 4 because why take a chance? 2-4” we’re expected in the next hour, let’s call that 4 because why take a chance. So that’s 8, and then 1-3” additional are possible, let’s call that 3 because why take a chance. So that’s 11” when they got the warning and it ended with “Flash flooding is ongoing or expected to begin shortly”

    And the first warning that mentioned the Guadalupe River was flooding was at 4:03 not 5:34 as you say.
     
  47. a.tramp

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    The camp director at Mystic passed away. He was evacuating a group of children when him and 5 girls got swept down river. They all miraculously lived (the group of 5 and him) through the rescue but he passed away a short time later. So from all the info available, they did everything they could from the point they realized they were screwed on.
     
  48. bigred77

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    If anyone hasn't watched it, you need to watch these 4 videos to understand flash flooding around here.

    This was well downstream from the camp in Hunt, they had hours of warning and daylight where this bridge is. But these 4 videos are all within 30 minutes of each other.

    Shit happens real fast, and that camp in Hunt was really close to the source of this water where it all started, essentially. Where the warning time is the least and most inaccurate