The Arkansas Razorbacks: Home of the #1 SEC basketball program

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  1. bertwing

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    My body is still aching from all the booze I drank on Saturday. Going to send my demand letter for $ for a new liver to the AD office
     
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  2. Hogview

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    let me text him. I'm about to play In a golf tournament
     
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  3. bertwing

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    Do you ever work
     
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  4. Gallant Knight

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    coming up from houston for the ole miss game. glad i didn't buy tickets. they might be giving those away in a couple of weeks.
     
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  5. Hogview

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    No
     
  6. Hogview

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    Did you list them yet? He owns a restaurant so he probably won't text me until after the lunch crowd has died down
     
  7. blind dog

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    Nope, I’ll wait until I hear from you

    It’s not like people are lined up
     
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  8. Hogview

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    I'll call him after I leave Chenal.
     
  9. Prospector

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    At this point, why would anyone spend money on this product?
     
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  10. Hogview

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    They're Bama fans
     
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  11. bertwing

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    Masochists
     
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  12. blind dog

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    wait wut? Drew Smyly's (from Arkansas went to Arkansas) dad is a Bama fan?
     
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  13. Hogview

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    His mom and dad are from Alabama.
     
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  14. Prospector

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    Shit I can't understand, Florida State on paper is more talented than us. UCLA, hit a home run with their hire, said everyone. Nebraska and national media loved Scott Frost going home (starting QB got hurt at end of game 1 W).
    Nobody is saying Frost and Chip can't coach.
    Why is transitioning to a spread from a pro style offense so difficult? Razorbacksm Husks, Noles and UCLA are a combined 2-9 and look terrible doing it.
     
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  15. Gallant Knight

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    All the programs fired their coach for a reason

    Chip and frost probably deserve the benefit of the doubt

    Not sure that taggert or Morris do

    With that being said, UCLA might be worse than Arkansas. They are fucking terrible
     
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  16. Prospector

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    Watching the pirate go up 10 on USC. Why the fuck did we not hire him?!?! If the answer is Jerry Jones, ill8hate him even more
     
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  17. infected donkey

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    Plus the interviews would be awesome with him at the helm.
     
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  18. b0ne5

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    I blame the talent level of the current players, not Chad. After 3 years I’ll blame the Chad if we still look like shit.
     
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  19. Prospector

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    CSU and North Texas out talented us? You don't really mean that, do you?
     
  20. bertwing

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    There's no excuse to losing to them. They've got guys more comfortable in their system and we looked completely awful the last 6 quarters of football

    Also, Chevin Calloway is going to transfer. So that sucks. Hasn't been announced yet I don't think.
     
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  21. b0ne5

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    It’s what I tell myself
     
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  22. Nostradumass

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    Losing to CSU was all on the staff.

    Go for it on 4th and 1, keep the deive going and put them away. Coach punted, played not to lose and lost.

    North Texas was a total team failure. Coaches lost the team that week and it showed in the game.

    Morris will probably bounce back but this year is lost.
     
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  23. dump

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    FWIW that UNT staff will be raided on the offensive side and at HC this offseason
     
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  24. Gallant Knight

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    Heading to Lubbock
     
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  25. Prospector

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    Any educated guess on why Bert wasn't able to keep good assistant coaches or hire good ones to replace those leaving for promotions?
     
  26. infected donkey

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    He's always been a stepping stone, look at the coaching tree he came from.
     
  27. Prospector

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    I get that part. You want good coaches to do well and move up. He blamed alverez and ad for not giving him enough money to keep them longer or hire top shelf replacements. That didn't happen on the hill..
     
  28. infected donkey

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    Well that's still true for wisky, we kept ennos when everyone was throwing money like crazy at him.
     
  29. dump

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    Arky isn't a destination it is a stepping stone
     
  30. Prospector

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    Fuck you I said that. Stay out of our business and pay attention to your loss
     
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  31. Prospector

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    Isn't TJ Hamminds supposed to be a fast (SEC speed) home run threat @ rb/wr?
    Is he dead? Did he steal from chip?
     
  32. THF

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    Apparently he sucks at blocking.

    Bert wouldn’t play him. Neither will CM
     
  33. Prospector

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    Please have them point out 3 people on this team that can block?
    This is bullshit
     
  34. Prospector

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    Guessing we don't have a special teams coach. Neat
     
  35. Gallant Knight

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    Is Chad allergic to screens
     
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  37. bturns

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    Because they didn't want to work for him because of his antics behind the scenes. (Alcoholic, constantly missing meet and greets with recruits and thier parents, constantly having to cover up for him to recruits and players, etc.)
     
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    freakin NYT
    IsYour College Football Team in the Wrong League?
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    Arkansas lost to North Texas last weekend. Now it has to face its SEC schedule.CreditCreditMichael Woods/Associated Press
    By Marc Tracy

    • Sept. 21, 2018
    There may not be any college football players in 2018 who were alive when Arkansas was not in the Southeastern Conference. Most probably do not know there even was such a time.

    Since joining the SEC in 1991, the Razorbacks have had just one top-10 finish, in 2011, when their two losses came to the two teams that played for the national championship: Alabama and Louisiana State. Those are two extraordinarily formidable programs that, as a member of the SEC West, Arkansas now plays — and often loses to — every year.

    But before 1991, it was a charter member of the Southwest Conference, and for most of the 20th century the only member of the league from outside Texas. Its biggest rival was the University of Texas, and the Razorbacks had several glorious seasons through the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s under Frank Broyles and Lou Holtz. In 25 years under those coaches, Arkansas had 12 finishes in the Associated Press poll’s top 10 and won the national championship in 1964 with two guys named Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones on the roster.

    Now Arkansas has a problem that seems all too common among teams that have switched conferences in college football’s modern era, usually with money as a prime motivator: It may just be in the wrong league. Rutgers, Maryland, Boston College — are you listening?

    “Would it be easier in the Big 12?” said Houston Nutt, the CBS analyst and Little Rock native who played for and later coached the Razorbacks. “Yes. No question. Would it be easier in the Southwest Conference? Yes. No question.

    “But that wasn’t the way it was,” he added. “So we embraced it.”

    In college football’s modern era, no fewer than 14 football programs have made lateral moves, from one power conference to another, and several more have been promoted from what were effectively midmajors.

    The odd configurations created by realignment are familiar to anyone who has heard college football fans’ bellyaches. The Big 12 has 10 teams; the Big Ten, 14. West Virginia and Texas Tech are in the same conference. Michigan now plays Rutgers every year, but Texas and Texas A&M do not meet at all.


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    Arkansas helped set the template: It severed ancient rivalries and forsook geographical proximity to gain stability and the riches of huge television contracts (the SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina partly to stage a lucrative conference championship game).

    From most perspectives, Arkansas’s conference change has proved prescient. As a member of the world-beating, ultraprominent SEC, Arkansas reaped around $7 million more last year in conference payouts than did members of the Big 12, which does not have its own cable network and which will be the most vulnerable conference should another bout of realignment hit in the middle of the next decade, when conference television contracts are set to expire.

    As for the Southwest Conference, it disappeared in 1996 after years of scandals, with four of its members joining the former Big Eight in the new Big 12 while others dropped to lower leagues. Arkansas might have still had a good claim to inclusion in a Power 5 league back then, had it not left the Southwest early. Or it might have gone the way of its old league rival Houston, which was left out of the Big 12 initially and then two years ago desperately tried to join it but, despite making a strong case, found itself behind the velvet rope.

    Teams that changed leagues to stay in a power conference “made a decision to get themselves protected politically, financially and institutionally,” said Mike Tranghese, a former Big East commissioner, who now advises the SEC on men’s basketball.

    While running the Big East in the 1990s and 2000s, Tranghese added football powers like Miami, West Virginia and Virginia Tech. But the league later imploded as a football conference, with several members leaving for other leagues, mainly the Atlantic Coast Conference.

    “The schools that left the Big East for the A.C.C. and, in Rutgers’s case, the Big Ten did not go to those leagues thinking they were going to win the national championship,” Tranghese said.

    In other words: Competition isn’t everything.

    Or is it?

    Nutt led the Razorbacks to four divisional titles during his tenure from 1998 to 2007, but they resulted in three conference title-game losses. The Bobby Petrino era, featuring that No. 5 finish in 2011, flamed out in scandal. Bret Bielema’s attempt to install a kind of Big Ten South — stout defense, plodding offense — led to a 29-34 record over the last five seasons, including an 11-29 record in SEC play.

    This year, the Razorbacks are staring down a particularly bleak stretch. Under a new coach, they are 1-2, with the losses coming to unheralded Colorado State and North Texas. Their next three games are Saturday at No. 9 Auburn; then versus No. 22 Texas A&M in Arlington, Tex.; and then hosting, yes, No. 1 Alabama. A loss in that game would be the 12th in a row to the Crimson Tide.

    To be sure, there is not yet a grand unifying theory of the competitive effect of realignment. Rutgers had several strong seasons in the Big East roughly a decade ago, and its overall Big Ten record is 7-28. Maryland was not terrible in the A.C.C. but has yet to have a winning season in Big Ten play.

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    But then there is Texas A&M, which won nine more games in its first six seasons in the fearsome SEC West than it did in its last six seasons in the Big 12. Even Nebraska, commonly perceived as a former giant whose power died with the old Big Eight, has fared deceptively well in the Big Ten compared with its final years in the Big 12.

    Colorado’s move to the Pacific-12 from the Big 12 is difficult to examine dispassionately, given the Buffaloes’ more generally putrid 2000s. They have a division championship in the Pac-12. Could they have done more in the Big 12? Utah’s graduation to the Pac-12 from the Mountain West has hurt the Utes’ win-loss records only slightly, against superior competition.

    Arkansas, because its switch came so long ago, is an underexamined case study.

    Nutt, a player and assistant while Arkansas was in the Southwest, looked around the SEC after he took over as coach before the 1998 season. “I could tell it was a very, very difficult league,” he said. “There’s no off Saturdays.”

    As a smaller state, Arkansas for decades fed off the talent of neighboring Texas, considered the country’s top recruiting state. All of its major rivals were based there, and nearly half of its games were played there — an obvious lift for recruiting.

    But these days, Arkansas typically plays just one game in the Lone Star State each year, as the annual matchup versus Texas A&M, a former Southwest rival now in the SEC, is staged at AT&T Stadium outside Dallas. The convenience is doubtlessly greased by the Cowboys owner Jones’s love for Arkansas, where he was a captain for the 1964 national champion.

    Nutt said recruiting for Arkansas was “definitely going to be harder” without playing frequently in Texas. SEC powers like Alabama, L.S.U. and Georgia are flagships of states with larger populations and recruiting bases.

    “What does that mean?” Nutt said. “You’ve got to be better at recruiting and evaluating.”

    Nevertheless, Tranghese insisted that how realignment affected competitiveness was nearly beside the point.

    For many programs, changing leagues “put them in one of the Power 5 conferences, which protected them both politically and institutionally,” Tranghese said. “Anything good that came about regarding competition was a bonus.”

    He added, “There’s nothing wrong with that.”

    Fans of Arkansas, Rutgers and a few other programs might beg to differ.
     
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  40. bertwing

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    He's apparently back with the team. There was some discussion about whether he would redshirt or not. I'd like to see him get some more touches.

    Chevin Calloway should be announcing his transfer any day now as well. He's not with the team right now.
     
  41. Gallant Knight

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    is calloway a big loss? he got roasted a few times early in the year.
     
  42. bertwing

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    He is great in run support, gets a little handsy in pass coverage. He had two forced fumbles and a FR in the opener, got moved to nickle and got pissed off and basically left the team.

    He's talented, but a bit of a head case... but most CB's are. He would be a big loss in my opinion. Moreso than Nance from a talent standpoint.
     
  43. Andy Reocho

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    Yikes. You are right for them not wanting to work for him, but it’s not for any of the reasons you made up/believe
     
  44. Prospector

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    which goes back to my initial question. I would appreciate an answer to understand what the fuck happened to the Razorbacks and how they ended up here, the worst fucking team in the SEC
     
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  45. THF

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    From what I remember from Ned, it was our decision to fire Bert and Jeffrey.
     
  46. bturns

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    From what I’ve read, everything I’ve said sabout true. Unless you can state something differently, then I’m going to assume it was his beligerant drunk fat ass who made this a terrible situation.
     
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  47. Andy Reocho

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    He wasn’t an alcoholic. And he didn’t skip shit with recruits. So there’s two things you said that aren’t accurate at alll
     
  48. Andy Reocho

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    After Pittman left they couldn’t find OL recruits that were worth a damn. And I also think him not being a big time recruiting coach hurt him. The coaches he had could all develop talent pretty damn well, but you can’t rely on strictly developing 3*’s at Arkansas/in the SEC and expect to compete regularly.

    All of this is my opinion, it’s not like there’s one thing that did all this.
     
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  50. Andy Reocho

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    Are you arguing that since Pittman left the OL recruiting hasn’t been bad?