The Atlanta Hawks thread-TITS(Trust in Travis Schlenk)

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  1. SuperCam

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  2. Boom TittyMilk

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    Don’t think we had 7
     
  3. allothersnsused

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    Reddish would be a steal in that spot. There are actually a nice number of picks in that range that fall in the “home run or strikeout” category
     
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  4. gordon bombay

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    It’s obviously not a complete disaster bc losing the Mavs pick and landing 8 would have been worse but it’s not great either
     
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  5. PCH

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    You just know bol bol's knees are only good for a few years......
     
  6. juice

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    Pretty depressing to go from where we were an hour and a half ago to now hoping we can land Reddish.
     
  7. Gaknight

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    He’s always been my guys outside the like top 3. I think his game is gonna be great in the nba.
     
  8. PCH

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    Cautiously optimistic here...... DeAndre Hunter(the UVA guy) may fall to us. He's a great defender. Think he can develop in to a better rebounder too.

    Really wanted Morant.
     
  9. Gaknight

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    We aren’t getting Morant at 8. What drugs are you on?

    We already have a better version of him as the star of our franchise
     
  10. Boom TittyMilk

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    Could see us with Hayes and White
     
  11. Boom TittyMilk

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    What drugs are you on? He said he really wanted Morant as in if we hadn’t gotten fucked in the lottery
     
  12. allothersnsused

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    I’m lower on Hunter than I should be as a homer but I would be surprised if he’s there at 8.
     
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  13. Gaknight

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    The French African dude has me intrigued
    Big headache all day. Just been confused by his infatuation with a guy we already basically have as the face of our franchise. We need wings
     
  14. juice

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    Trae is a better version of Ja?

    Other than passing ability, they are very different players.
     
  15. PCH

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    Lol where did I say that?
     
  16. PCH

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    Yea, the 8 spot is really about fit and development. We can already score well.....need an on ball defender.
     
  17. Gaknight

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    They are ball heavy guards that are elite passers and play ZERO defense. The zero defense part is a big issue playing them together.
     
  18. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Would be really happy with Reddish. Greater than zero percent chance he ends up being the second best player in the draft. Does everything well he's just inconsistent. If he figures it out he's a star.

    Don't care for Hayes. Bol Bol seems to have huge upside. If we get lucky with healthy he could be a steal. Clarke is interesting. PJ Washington could be poor man's Horford.
     
  19. Boom TittyMilk

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    Hoping we can get Chuma Okeke in the 2nd for personal reasons
     
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  20. Gaknight

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    Nassir Little and Kevin Porter Jr are Reddish-like guys in that they didn't live up to precollege hype, but I think could end up being good in the league.
     
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    I just wanna win! Looking at the Bucks is painful. We had our coach.
     
  22. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    I don't want little primarily because of Marvin Williams flashbacks.
     
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  23. Gaknight

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    Zion has to be looking forward to going where their star player wanted out.
     
  25. BigRed

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    That’s what Tankathon has in their mock
     
  26. BudKilmer

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    Hoops Hype has an aggregate of all mocks. Most have us taking Reddish at 8 and Jaxson Hayes at 10. I don't hate the Hayes pick, I do think a rim running big who can play off Collins and run P&R would be good.....I'm meh on Reddish....

    Who are we rumored to in FA? I want Willie Caulie Stein for the Hayes reasons and he will defend the Embiids of the world so Collins doesn't have to.

    Still pretty pissed we are at 8. I think RJ Barrett or Zion would have been the perfect addition to our roster, but Hawks fans are only permitted small glimmers of hope.
     
  27. allothersnsused

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    So sick of Knicks fans - the only team projected for a top 4 pick that actually got one - bitching. Everyone from Cleveland through Washington got fucked this year.
     
  28. Nandor the Relentless

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    Link please?
     
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  30. Gaknight

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    Sekou was fire last game I saw. Very intrigued by him.
     
  31. allothersnsused

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    I think if Cam is available at 8, where more and more mocks are having him available, that's a big win. I think, as was quoted in a recent Athletic article, that even though we got fucked by falling so far, we're lucky in that there's probably going to be a run on PGs (the one position we absolutely don't need) ahead of us, so we should have a pick of at least one wing in the Culver/Hunter/Reddish tier.

    Really coming around to Jaxon Hayes too. The potential of Bol Bol is so tempting but it'd be pretty shocking to see him stay relatively healthy for a full career.
     
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  32. Gaknight

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    Who thought Red Klay was gonna be on a NBA rookie season before the season started?
     
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  33. Fran Tarkenton

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    New York has explored the possibility of trading back in the lottery, sources told ESPN, perhaps to acquire pieces that better complement potential high-volume All-Star free agents (such as Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving). Trading the No. 3 pick for the Atlanta Hawks' two first-rounders (Nos. 8 and 10) is under consideration by the Knicks, one source said. This is a similar package to the one Dallas used to move up in last year's draft -- trading the No. 5 pick and a top-five protected pick (which ended up being No. 10) to select Luka Doncic at No. 3. A move like this likely wouldn't happen until the draft was actually underway, as both teams would want to know which players are actually available with the No. 8 pick before consummating a trade.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/26859001/nba-draft-debate-rj-barrett-future-star
     
  34. BudKilmer

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    RJ Barrett on this roster :yousoright:
     
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  35. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    I'm not sure how I feel about this. Was just reading the athletic round table. Basically people think Atlanta is the ideal place for Reddish to reach his potential. I'd be really happy keeping 8 and taking him.
     
  36. Gaknight

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    Reddish is a guy I think that’s gonna climb. He looks the most NBA like player in the draft.
     
  37. Fran Tarkenton

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    Atlanta's roster is the ideal situation for any elite Wing. But particularly one with Reddish's ceiling.

    If front office doesnt like their options at 10, I got no problem packaging the picks for RJ. It would be an awesome fit next to Trae imo. Wonder if they will look for a Big in the trade market.
     
  38. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Sounds like the two point guards going early is going to ensure we get a wing. I prefer Reddish but Hunter would be a great fit as well. I keep seeing the Demarre Carroll comp. Sounds like Culver is the guy least likely to be there at 8 and I'm fine with that. If we traded up to 3 and took Culver I'd be pissed.
     
  39. BudKilmer

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    I heard someone on a pod talk about Reddishs upside and how Duke misused and didn’t develop him, and do think he’d improve surrounded by shooting and coaching, but then I watch him and think Ben Macklemore or Josh Jackson.
     
  40. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Obviously there's a ton of talk about Hayes at 10 if we keep that pick. I hate him. Read about the Goga Bitadze guy today though.. He kind of excites me.
     
  41. Boom TittyMilk

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    Give me 2 pieces instead of trading up to #3.
     
  42. Fran Tarkenton

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    there is probly some bad copy/paste in here

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    Under normal circumstances, a 53-111 record in two seasons would not foster a sense of optimism for an NBA franchise.

    But the Atlanta Hawks have built a foundation with John Collins, Taurean Prince and Trae Young that defies normal circumstances.

    The Hawks' next step in rebuilding starts with the 2019 NBA draft on June 20 and resumes 10 days later with the start of free agency.

    Let's look ahead to the decisions facing this franchise, including how to find value with multiple draft picks and the best way to use max cap space.

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    The value of the draft: Five picks in the top 45
    For a second consecutive June, the Hawks will have the opportunity to reshape their roster through the draft. Not only does Atlanta -- with the eighth and 10th overall selections -- become the fourth team since 2011 to have two picks in the top 10 -- joining Cleveland (2011), New Orleans (2012) and Phoenix (2016 and 2018) -- but the Hawks also open the second round with three selections (No. 35, No. 41 and No. 44).

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    Now with four weeks until draft night, general manager Travis Schlenk and his staff will conduct workouts, have a thorough check on background and rely on their personnel department for game and practice evaluations.

    What comes out of the draft preparation is a long list of questions this front office will have to ask itself:

    1. Can this roster sustain an additional five draft picks?

    2. Is there a comfort level keeping picks Nos. 8 and 10?

    3. Do we draft on best available or need in the first round?

    4. Can we package one or both lottery picks to acquire an All-NBA level player who has years left on his contract?

    5. What is the cost of moving into the top three, and is it worth it?

    6. Should we move either first-rounder for multiple future first-rounders?

    7. Is it worth exploring packaging all three second-rounders and moving into the 20s? What is the drop-off in talent from the late first to early second round?

    8. Do we trade Nos. 41 and 44 for future second-rounders?
    Expect the Hawks to exhaust every option until they have to make their selections.

    Enter the free-agent ring or continue building up assets?
    Although they finished a second consecutive season with one of the worst records in the league, the second step of Atlanta's rebuild can be deemed a success: The Hawks improved in the win column by five games and have reason to believe that each player progressed throughout the season.

    Head coach Lloyd Pierce -- whose time with the Philadelphia 76ershighlights his expertise in player development -- enters the offseason with a foundation of young players, draft assets and cap flexibility to build upon for the foreseeable future.

    The Hawks -- who have eight players on rookie deals -- are poised to have significant cap space yet again. That flexibility on top of last season's progress could tempt Atlanta to accelerate the rebuild that began in the summer of 2017.

    Here is a breakdown on what direction Atlanta can choose in the offseason:

    1. Follow the script from 2017 and 2018

    The Hawks have not been shy about their approach with cap space the past two summers. Instead of chasing big-name free agents, Atlanta has taken a realistic approach to its roster and turned flexibility into draft assets. It turned the $38 million owed to Jamal Crawford and Carmelo Anthony into two first-round picks.

    The basketball product has improved and a foundation is in place, and the Hawks will likely take the same approach with the $41 million in room this summer. Like the Crawford trade that helped the Clippers clear room to sign Danilo Gallinari, there will be teams this summer (Brooklyn and Phoenix, for example) that will need to create room to sign a free agent and could attach assets to sweeten such a deal.

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    2. Accelerate the rebuild at the cost of flexibility

    Schlenk has made it known he will not take a reckless approach with cap space for the sake of incremental gains. Since taking over in 2017, Schlenk has signed only four free agents to more than the minimum exception: Mike Muscala, Dewayne Dedmon, Ersan Ilyasova and Alex Len.

    None of the contracts exceeded more than two years and $6 million per year in salary. Don't expect the Hawks to follow this path and spend big unless it's on a transcendent, All-Star-level talent (an unlikely scenario).

    3. Continue the development with an eye toward 2020 (or 2021)

    Because Atlanta is projected to have eight players on rookie contracts, the window to use cap space is open for the foreseeable future.

    If Young, Prince, Collins and Kevin Huerter continue to develop, the Hawks can tout their young core and 2019 lottery picks as a drawing card in 2020. By then, they could have a projected $70 million in room and still have half their roster under contract.

    4. Use cap space to sign NBA veterans

    With the fifth-youngest roster in the NBA last season comes the responsibility of signing veterans who are not only good for the locker room, but who can also contribute on the court. We saw that last year when the Hawks signed 42-year old Vince Carter. The Hawks could look to make a similar move with their space this time around.

    Summer cap breakdown
    Justin Anderson. Acquired from Philadelphia as part of the Anthony trade, Anderson appeared in 48 games and played a sparing 9.6 minutes per game. If the offer is not extended, Anderson will become an unrestricted free agent in July.

    • Former two-way player Jaylen Adams, who currently has $100,000 in salary protection, has a July 19 trigger date that would guarantee his $1.4 million contract.

    Deyonta Davis will see $250,000 of his $1.6 million contract become guaranteed if he is not waived by July 31.

    • When the new salary-cap year begins July 1, the Hawks -- restricted by the acquisition of Jabari Bird from the Celtics -- will see the $3.2 in cash they are currently able to receive replenish to $5.6 million cash. Although they still have $5.2 million cash to send out in any trade, Schlenk has never sent out money in a transaction or bought a draft pick the night of the draft.

    Extension candidates
    Of the four extension-eligible players -- Prince, DeAndre' Bembry, Miles Plumlee and Kent Bazemore -- Prince and Bembry are the first of a wave eligible for rookie extensions. Collins will be eligible in 2020. Young, Huerter and Spellman will be up the following year.

    Remember that Prince was not drafted by the current front office. The approach with Prince will be based on two factors: the Hawks' willingness to sacrifice flexibility in 2020 along with a belief that the 25-year-old is the solution at small or power forward when Collins is moved to center.

    Forgoing an extension allows Atlanta to use his $10.4 million free-agent hold and still have $70 million to use in free agency in 2020.

    The draft assets
    There is no team positioned better in the June draft than the Hawks. A year removed from having four picks, Atlanta ties Philadelphia for a league-high five draft selections, including two lottery picks and three relatively high second-round picks.

    With a roster that already has 10 players under contract (not including the two first-rounders), Atlanta can approach the second round like it did last year and choose to trade out. The team turned the 34th pick in the 2018 draft into two future second-rounders from Charlotte (2019 and 2023).

    Here's how ESPN's Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz have Atlanta picking in the 2019 draft:

    Atlanta has two future first-round picks -- 2020 Cleveland (top-10 protected) and 2022 Oklahoma City (top-14 protected). Both first will turn into future second-round selections if not conveyed for Cleveland (2021 and 2022) and Oklahoma City (2024 and 2025).
     
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  44. BudKilmer

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    Like the move.

    Who would we target at 5?
     
  45. Gaknight

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    This is a steal for us. Prince is a bench player on a current non playoff team and we got 2 firsts for him.

    Schlenk is the man and all other Atlanta GM's could learn from him.
     
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    The expirings will also be beneficial at the deadline.

    6 of the top 44 picks? Schlenk isn’t done dealing friends. :gocho:
     
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  47. allothersnsused

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    I'm just reading and re-reading the trade and I don't understand it from Brooklyn's perspective.
     
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    they got rid of their big contract
     
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    Opened up another Max slot
     
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