The Keepers (Netflix)

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  1. DollarBillHokie

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    I'm shocked at how terrible the priest is. People like him shouldn't exist.
     
  2. Hank Scorpio

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    So it's not good?
     
  3. Shawn Hunter

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    What I have read on the internet says your question is wrong.
     
  4. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    No it's p good. Not " Making a Murderer" good, but still good
     
  5. CUtigers

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    Through 2 episodes and there has been some real disturbing stuff so far. First episode is just okay (just your typical missing person or murder story). Second is where it starts to get more interesting. From everything I've read, it gets better and better every episode.
     
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    I'm 3 episodes in and it might be the most fucked up shit I've ever seen. We had to quit watching it. I'm not sure when I'll be ready to finish it.
     
  7. Gonff

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    I finished watching it. It's extremely well done but, yes, it's hard to watch at times. Still, very interesting and captivating.
     
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  8. Mitch Cumstein

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    fuck now i have to watch this
     
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  9. Virgil Caine

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    Just finished binging this and I'm pretty much at a loss for words.
     
  10. WillySaliba

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    I was expecting some fuckery based on what I read by my fucking lord. If you're a moderately well adjusted human being you just can't make that shit up.

    FYI, not even half way through yet.
     
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  11. Mitch Cumstein

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    Just started this

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  12. slogan119

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    Is this true, fiction, or truth-based fiction?
     
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  13. Shawn Hunter

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    It's another Making a Murderer type show
     
  14. Mitch Cumstein

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    just finished. some people man. jeesh.

    If you're just looking at this thread now, you should watch this show.
     
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  15. WillySaliba

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    Holy fuck you binged that.
     
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  16. Mitch Cumstein

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    yes. yes i did
     
  17. Shawn Hunter

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    I will binge it soon. Nothing on Netflix is unbingeable for me.
     
  18. Tony Perkis

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    "What kind of Chardonnay do you have?"

    "I have Yellow Tail"

    Lol
     
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  19. Tony Perkis

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    Wish I would have never started watching this. Creeped the fuck out right now
     
  20. Shawn Hunter

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    Just started episode 2. Shocker, Catholics are evil and use religion as an excuse for their evil acts. Only been occurring for thousands of years.
     
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  21. Shawn Hunter

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    Don't know who committed the k.illing blow to Sister Cathy, but Ed and Bill were for sure there when it happened. Brother Bob probably delivered the kill shot. Maskell ordered it.

    I don't see the Malecki murder being connected to Sister Cathy's murder in any way given the rather scant discussion about it. Did someone involved in Sister Cathy's murder have a connection to Malcki? Quite possibly, but unless Malecki knew something was going on and was going to start talking about it, don't really see how the two can be directly related.

    Alas, this series is just more further proof of the stain on the Earth that the Catholic Church has been and always will be.
     
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  22. Room 15

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    Ed as an old guy is really creepy and sad looking.

    That priest is one of the worst individuals I've ever learned about, and the Baltimore archdiocese is disgusting
     
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  23. Tony Perkis

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    I had to quit watching
     
  24. Hank Scorpio

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    Religion of peace
    just kidding of course. humans have bastardized religion since it's inception
     
  25. 941Gator

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    Just finished. This was great. It isn't as exciting as MAM, but more mystery. Very well done.

    Couple thoughts:

    I don't know if Jane Doe (Jean) actually saw the dead body. I think that she believes she did. She is obviously a tad nutty.

    People that are depressed and need attention at times latch on to other sadness. Typical misery loves company theory. I don't know if the 2 random husbands did a version of that to their wives.

    Koop. Interesting character. Very believable, but don't let him fool you. Something isn't right IMO. Especially considering the alibi story didn't fully match up. He was a priest. He probably knows what's up.

    Lol at these families seeing all this bullshit with the Church and then years later still talking about prayer. Talk about brainwashed.

    Brother Bob.....no idea. Probably a cop.

    Russell nun is a pos. Dying with all that info, maybe even with what happened to Cathy.

    Interview with creepy old guy sucked. Didn't handle him well. He wanted to provide mystery.

    Malecki girl, wow. No one even investigated it. Safe to say no one in government cared about these girls.

    SOL on sex battery crime. Now I've heard it all. Keep the time period short so they'll come forward.
     
  26. 941Gator

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-in-case-of-sister-cathy-slaying-from-1969/
     
  27. TheoB

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    Just finished episode 3. Episode 1 was kind of a snoozer, but episode 2 got the roller coaster going.
     
  28. devine

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    I'm on episode three right now. I don't know why but I have the volume up on my tv loud and am still having trouble hearing

    Who did the nun that got murdered tell about the priest to? I missed that part
     
  29. 941Gator

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    She basically just let it known that she was aware. The kids were going to her for guidance.
     
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  31. 941Gator

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    There is another nun, Russell, pay attention to when they bring her up.
     
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  32. Whiskers McSchitty

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    I'm raging right now after finishing episode 2.

    This peice of shit.
     
  33. Volholic16

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    4 episodes in and its really messed up. It's hard to really describe it. It's uncomfortable as hell to watch.
     
  34. slogan119

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    This shit is bananas. And this was before the Boston stuff came out.
     
  35. slogan119

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    OK, got some Q's and gonna need some A's.

    1. Who is this fucking Skippy guy? He's an important piece to all of this.
    2. The teenage guy and girl meeting with Russell and Cathy - were they ever identified? And what do they know about that night when Maskell and Magnus showed up?
    3. Not a Q, but need more on Magnus and his involvement.
    4. What about the other Schmidt brother? Is he dead now? Or only Billy is dead?
    5. Did they ever find the letter from Baltimore City police?
    6. What is the motive for having either/both Ed & the Schmidts killing Cathy? There was no financial gain or any other gain on their part, unless Maskell was blackmailing them and their families - but that seems weak.
     
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  36. Gin Buckets

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    It's Buzzfeed, but....

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelang...timore-twitter?utm_term=.hezlr80kx#.exraQYKN2

    Baltimore Archdiocese Responds To "The Keepers" Director's Comment On "Sickening" PR Strategy
    UPDATE: A spokesperson for the archdiocese told BuzzFeed News it exercised some “bad judgment” in trying to discredit the Netflix documentary series, which tells the story of an alleged serial rapist priest and a murdered nun who’s said to have known about the abuse.

    Originally posted on June 2, 2017, at 6:49 p.m.
    Updated on June 5, 2017, at 10:42 p.m.
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    The Keepers is a complex documentary series about a group of senior women trying to solve a crime — the 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik, a teacher at a Catholic high school in Baltimore that many of the documentary subjects attended decades ago. The series and the women at its heart suggest that the murder was related to the alleged crimes of Father Joseph Maskell, a chaplain at Archbishop Keough High School who was accused of sexually abusing students there. Cesnik, who went by Sister Cathy, knew about the allegations of abuse, and she was going to report it, her former students say on camera. One of them, Jean Wehner, who brought a lawsuit against Maskell in the 1990s, says Maskell led her to Cesnik’s body before the nun’s remains were reported to police. Furthermore, some of the series' subjects say people affiliated with the church worked to suppress criminal prosecution of Maskell.

    The Archdiocese of Baltimore has been railing against The Keepers online since its May 19 release, trying out hashtags like #TheKeepersUntold and #TheKeepersTruth in an attempt to discredit the documentary. At one point, its Twitter account retweeted a user who described the documentary as “fiction”; The Keepers’ director, Ryan White, took a screenshot of a tweet from the archdiocese’s account that said a recently completed test of Maskell’s DNA did not match DNA found with Cesnik’s remains. The church used emojis and the term “SPOILER ALERT.”

    “You would have to ask them what that PR strategy is, but to me, it's sickening,” White told BuzzFeed News. The archdiocese’s dismissive tweets, he said, “led to me [being] on the phone with Maskell survivors in tears wondering why this institution continues to put them through the wringer in this type of way. Having spent three years with these survivors, who I believe ... it makes me angry.”

    The church did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Friday, but Sean Caine, the director of communications at the archdiocese, spoke with BuzzFeed News Monday. “Obviously, as complex of a story as this is, it's not really ideal to play out on social media,” Caine said. The tweets, particularly the “fiction” tweet, suggested the church didn’t believe the abuse allegations. “In retrospect, it was a bad judgment,” he said. “That’s why we deleted it.”

    On the day The Keepers launched, the church tweeted, “We don't dispute the abuse committed by Fr. Maskell, but The Keepers premise & conclusion are wrong,” with a picture of a pen checking off a checklist. White was mystified.

    “I think if you ask anybody who's watched The Keepers, the premise is that girls were being abused and confided in Sister Cathy. The conclusion is that no one's ever been held accountable for the murder or the abuse,” he said. “I don't know what they mean when they say ‘the premise and the conclusion.’ They seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth. ... What they're actually doing there is continuing to call certain survivors liars.”

    In addition to Wehner, Charles Franz is another Maskell accuser who makes a claim disputed by the church; in the docuseries, he says that his mother told the archdiocese in 1967 that Maskell was abusing him. Franz’s account is directly contradicted by the archdiocese, which told White it had never heard any reports of abuse by Maskell until Wehner came forward as an adult in the 1990s. According to Caine, during settlement negotiations with the archdiocese last June, Franz said that he never told his mother about the abuse. The church was not asked directly about the comments Franz made in the documentary, Caine told BuzzFeed News. “We certainly would have responded to that,” he said.


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    In a Reddit AMA White did in late May, a user going by ArchBalt said it couldn’t release the internal files on Maskell that White asked for because the records contained personal information. The Reddit user, which Caine confirmed was a representative of the church, wrote that the records couldn’t be disclosed under archdiocesan policy and state law — among other things, the records contain confidential personal information.

    It was the same answer White had gotten from the archdiocese before. “They've never responded to me when I said, 'Can you redact the information?'” he told BuzzFeed News. Caine responded: “Employers don't release employee information, regardless. That's just nothing that any reasonable person would expect to be done. We certainly wouldn't release it to a film production company.”

    White added that he would like to see records of the investigation the church claims to have done in the 1990s when Wehner first came forward. “Why don't you at least release the records from your investigation in the '90s, and if you came up empty-handed with no victims' names, then there shouldn't be personal information to redact,” he said. “They didn't respond to that either. I would be very curious to see what that investigation involved in the '90s.”

    Caine said, “The suggestion that the archdiocese didn't do everything it could to corroborate the initial allegation in '92 by Jean Wehner is really unfair. We invested hundreds of hours, we hired a private investigator, we interviewed former students, former faculty members, people in the community.”

    As White shows in the documentary, when no one could initially “corroborate” Wehner’s story, Maskell was returned to a parish, and Wehner’s family conducted their own investigation through a letter-writing campaign. That investigation turned up dozens of fellow Maskell accusers.

    Asked about this discrepancy, Caine said, “Most people looking at it objectively would say, 'How hard did you try if these people were able to do it on their own?' My answer would be, 'Thank god they did, thank god the people who came forward did come forward,' because it eventually led to Maskell's removal, and hopefully it saved a lot of other people from being potential future victims.” He said he believed victims likely found it was easier to respond to the post-office box Wehner’s family used for their investigation than it was to respond to a representative of the church.

    On the archdiocese’s website, a list of “Frequently Asked Questions Based on ‘The Keepers’” claims they "offered on several occasions to answer any and all questions for the production." Caine said the church declined to participate on-camera because they felt they wouldn’t be given “a fair shake.”

    “Even though we chose not to do an on-camera interview, I communicated with Ryan directly — we offered from day one to provide any responses to any questions that he had. And initially, they said, ‘No, if you can't go on camera, we're not gonna include you.’ And then at the very end of production, they sent us the list of six questions,” Caine said. (According to White, it was five questions.)

    White laughed about the church’s circumscribed offer to participate. “Production, to me, says, this is a documentary. It's television. Everybody went on camera, including the abuse victims themselves. I'm not writing an essay, and they knew that,” he said. “It was disappointing, the amount of transparency and participation level that they did show.”


    UPDATE
    June 5, 2017, at 10:41 p.m.
    This article has been updated to include an interview with a representative of the Archdiocese of Baltimore Monday. The archdiocese did not immediately respond to BuzzFeed News’ inquiries on Friday.

    Cliffs: The Baltimore Archdiocese is not handling this situation well at all from a PR perspective. :facepalm:
     
  37. Irush

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    100% accurate look at Catholicism
     
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  38. RalfBully

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    On ep7 and can't get into this still. MAM was soooo much better. Everyone they interview is legit crazy. Even the ladies documenting are nuts. Don't know how to skype, use a cellphone, etc.
     
  39. WillySaliba

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    Nice teams. Way to stick with it bud.
     
  40. RalfBully

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    It's legit, bud!
     
  41. WillySaliba

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    Thought you didn't like it? What's legit?
     
  42. TLAU

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    didn't waste any time opening the floodgates in E2. made it through the first 4 last night. TBH thought it was only 4 episodes and thought it was essentially over when they got denied the jury trial. guessing there's not really any closure in the last 3 episodes just more makeshift detective work by old women. may or may not keep watching the rest
     
  43. RalfBully

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    have one left to watch and pretty much my feelings on the whole thing.
     
  44. NothingIsOT

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    About to start episode 2
     
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    Burger King trash can in Gemma house was weird
     
  46. slogan119

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    When I see this bumped, I get excited there's new info and it might be solved.

    Then I get disappointed.
     
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    Billy and Ed were creepy but I just don't get how those guys would be in the circle.

    Seemed like priest, cops, and other "elites" were in this pedophile circle. I doubt they'd let a gay guy and a weirdo like Edgar in said circle.
     
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