are you done with the game? Spoiler it's a little hard to say, as they don't tell you when the conversation from her very last flashback happened, but it seems unlikely that it was after the dance. So i'm thinking you are right, they didn't reconcile after she yelled at him. And I'm with you, the look on his face and knowing how I would feel if my son yelled at me like that, definitely hurts.
Spoiler They do actually talk again, on the porch and they establish its after the dance. So they do reconcile more or less, she says she doesn't think she can forgive Joel for taking her from hospital but she can try. Happens after Ellie let's them go on the beach and she gets home and grabs the guitar.
Spoiler That’s how I saw it. The porch scene made it OK, or at least on the path to OK, btw them. Still friction but there’s an understanding.
Spoiler Thanks, I forgot they had made that clear. I honestly cried my way through that cut scene, knowing it was the last time we'd ever see Joel on screen.
Spoiler Without that little bit of reconciliation, I think Ellie follows through and finishes Abby off. I think they intended her motive to be that she never got closure with Joel because Abby took that away from her. It was a nice scene to end on.
I don't know if there will be a Part 3 but even if there were I'm probably on the not gonna buy it (at least for full price) side right now. I'm just not invested in the story moving forward from this point on compared to Part 1.
Spoiler Joel: If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again. Me:
That sucks that you didn’t enjoy it as much as some of us did. I don’t think there is a third chapter left to tell, but if they do they’ll get my money. I’ll also go back and play this again but will have to take a bit of a break.
I don't have a new generation system and probably won't get one anytime soon, are there any good youtube full gameplay ones without the player talking during his stream? Kinda just want to see the game/story and fast forward through the boring parts.
Don’t know if you played the first one but here’s video edited into a movie. Also the 2nd game too (video length) is quite a bit longer than the first game Spoiler: TLOU video movies
i enjoy watching LPs with people actually talking because they often make connections im too high to make. obviously i prefer watching an actual mature adult doing it to cut down as much childish bullshit as possible
Just finished....drained. I’m not good at guitar either. Spoiler Anyone else take that her inability to play guitar any longer means her connection with Joel (through the guitar) is severely damaged because of her inability to let her revenge go?
Spoiler I think she realizes she got some semblance of closure with him. When she finds that she can’t play guitar because of her fingers, I agree that she realizes one of her biggest connections to him has been severed and she’s completely lost herself. The whole ending is devastating and shows that revenge can’t leave someone whole.
Spoiler I agree that the message is that revenge takes away as much or more from the one seeking it. I don't think it was as much a severing of her connection with Joel as it was her realizing everything she lost and finally putting aside the old lifer and her anger with it. She's starting a new life, hopefully with Dina and the baby. The last cut scene where she tried to being the process of reconciling with Joel was the key to that, if she can try to forgive Joel, maybe Dina can try to forgive her
One Knight is this something you're doing for enjoyment or are you trying to break into the industry? If you don't mind my asking, if that's monetized, do you get paid for clicks? I'll definitely read your stuff as you continue to share it. I like that the byline embeds like that on TMB.
Question about a character Spoiler Wait, so Lev is a girl? I thought he was a boy this whole time. Best new character imo Im down for a stand-alone DLC with him and Abby making it to Catalina Island
Spoiler The Seraphites outside of Yara referred to him as 'Lily', his birth name. They talked about being excommunicated from the cult for him cutting his hair to be like the men. I think it was said that at 13, they have their roles decided and his was to be married to one of the elders. I think it's funny as fuck that people so lazily read the spoilers that they assumed Abby was trans because she was built like a brick shithouse when it was easily the most compelling new character that was the trans one. I really enjoyed Lev's inclusion. I don't see it as forced or being an SJW agenda. People are who they are and love who they love. Who gives a fuck?
Spoiler Lev and the lesbian stuff wasn't even the most queer thing in the game. That falls to this scene:
Thanks dude, I appreciate it! I enjoy it but I'm trying to work towards freelancing and eventually do it for a living. the pay on Medium isn't much at all for someone on my level, i'm mainly using it to build a portfolio. I plan on applying to freelance with some of the bigger sites. Medium pays based on read time from members, but even through the friend links which is what I post here so non-members can read, it's great to get clicks.
Meant to post this in this thread: Some more TLOU2 thoughts... Spoiler I love how Tommy basically serves as a warning to Ellie before Santa Barbara. An idealist who helped create/lead the closest thing to a Utopia in the Apocalypse, at the end he has become a maimed, scared, broken man who has been dumped by Maria and consumed with revenge he himself can no longer obtain. Also, I do love all the little things in the game that truly show how outclassed everyone is by Joel, Tommy, and Ellie. Tommy immediately doubling back and easily killing Manny when he and Abby were confident they had him cornered. And, the only thing that makes it close to an even playing field between Abby and Ellie is Abby's build. Even stuff like Abby having to use shivs while Ellie has her switchblade. Lot of societal critiques in the game. Absolute power corrupting the WLF, so they are now indistinguishable from the fascist FEDRA. Also, the Seraphites show the many hypocrisies of religion: bastardizing the peaceful words of their prophet to become brutal monsters and obeying a ban on using the "sin" of using modern technology, except in every single instance when it's easier and convenient. Jackson seems more like a family than WLF and Scars. People work together for each other. They don't have an artificial mantra they spout at each other to create some superficial bond. If someone wants to run off from Jackson, they might get lectured, but no one's really going to stop them. Abby does that and becomes an enemy of WLF. Maria seems like the best person in the whole series. She doesn't have time to go run off on adventures or care about revenge. She's got a city to run and people to take care of. Jackson is the only place that is also not hostile to outsiders. They'll trade and welcome people. But, don't fuck with them.
Just finished. Amazing game. Don't really get what all the crying was about. Incels gonna incel I guess
Poor Ellie. This is why I think, no matter how much she has fucked up throughout the game... Spoiler that she is headed back to Jackson to beg Dina for forgiveness. I think i am in the minority in thinking this way but who knows
What is everyone's favorite moment across the two games? Mine is the scene in the first game with Ellie and Joel fighting over him leaving her with Tommy, after she runs away to that house. So much emotion in that scene, I cry every time I play it. It's Ashley Johnson's strongest moment, and that's saying something as I love every word that has ever passed her lips.
Have you seen the Kinda Funny spoiler cast? Great insight into some of the things you’ve been writing about. Spoiler Ellie actor is one of the ones who disagrees. She thinks Ellie has lost about as much as Joel did, but still retains some semblance of humanity for not ending Abby
Yeah, I have about 30 minutes left in it, definitely is a great watch. it was interesting to hear both her and Neil disagree with my take on the ending
So that game was fucking amazing. I don't get people crying about the length, I didn't want the game to end. Some of the cut scenes ran a couple of minutes long (Ellie singing Take on Me in its entirety) but that was really a minor thing. The story, the voice acting, the visuals, if you didn't love that game there is something wrong with you. The combat was engaging, you never felt safe, plenty of heart racing moments. Loved it.
I don’t think I want a 3rd chapter. This ends with that perfect talking point. To me it’s important to remember that Part two is just that, no a sequel but the finish of the story. Spoiler I guess if you’re treating it as modern story teller than the 3rd act has to follow Ellie. She had her Acts 1 and 2.
I see the draw, I really do. I’m at the part when you take over Abby at the stadium and I just can’t do it anymore. I hated RDR2 but I forced myself to keep going so I could talk shit about it with authority knowing I finished the game but TLOU2 is a fucking chore. It’s utterly depressing and the lack of the Joel and Ellie dynamic kills my motivation. I’m not in love with Dina, I have no desire to save Jessie or Tommy. I’m just not invested. I keep telling myself this isn’t a sequel but an entirely new game with a new narrative focus but I’m starting to realize it’s just not for me. The thing that sucks most about it for me is it’s killing my fond memories of the first one. as a father (#girldad) i really think the main reason I loved TLOU so much was that parent/child dynamic that it did so well. The ending of TLOU resonates so well with me because I can put myself in Joel’s shoes and feel my heart being tortured by that decision. There’s probably a lot to be said there about my love for God of War as well. In the end, my motivation to slog through a game that is twice as long as the original without the slightest piece of the soul that made it so wonderful for me just isn’t there. it’s obviously a beautiful and well realized world with incredible acting and tense moments but the time it takes me to sneak through a room then plunder it feels like an eternity without the emotion that made the Joel and Ellie story so great. I won’t meme this game like I did RDR2 but I will probably never finish it and that makes me sad.
Ehh I’m a busy fingers gamer. I just downloaded Dead Cells and had an incredibly enjoyable couple of hours of gaming. There’s just little joy for me in TLOU2. Too bleak and depressing and it didn’t feel like it was gonna let up and it wasn’t fun enough for me to push through. I understand the draw of it more than RDR2 and if the real world were less depressing I’d probably push through it but I’m just not into whatever it’s selling. Fireworks and beer Saturday tho so keep your fingers crossed that I set myself on fire
ok now I feel bad, please don’t set yourself on fire. But it’s a last of us game, of course it’s bleak. That’s the point. The last game ended with the villain winning and ending humanities chance at triumph
The bleak and depressing aspect was just another cog of the wheel as to why I’m not enjoying it. It’s not the totality of it. If there was something to balance it for me I’d have a better time and I spent 20 hours trying to find it. I’m sure I’ll finish it one day but I’ve been looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima since about 10 hours into TLOU2
I definitely get what you're saying man, I loved Ellie and Joel together in the first one as much as anybody, and I'm actually pretty surprised that the story in this one works for me as well as it does. I think my love for Ellie and Dina together is what made it for me, so yeah if you weren't into Dina then I can totally see there being nothing there for you. If the combat isn't clicking for you then even more so, they made a different game and it really doesn't work for some people. I ask myself if we would have enjoyed more of the same, meaning just some other Joel and Ellie story, would it have made people happy, and I don't know what story they could have told that would have done it. Hard to say but I'm sorry it didn't work for you, its a waste of time and money and heartache when a big game disappoints like that.