The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Fran Tarkenton

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    Saying that its merely an economic issue thats the plight of minorities, and an economic issue alone, is so dumb I dont even know where to begin. All while using economics to point out whites have it tough too.

    The political institutions, not economic ones, are gamed to favor whites. I cant believe we are arguing that itt. Red-pilled.
     
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  2. BrickTamland

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    Hey pinkos, tell me of Cenk Uygur.
     
  3. Merica

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    I also understand that most of my black friends not from my hometown are middle-upper middle class and although they do face a struggle that I will never understand (none of the white people itt ever will so please stop acting like y'all understand it while I don't), really impoverished black people face struggles they will never understand. One of our friends is from Massachusetts and her still married parents help support all of their children. They subsidize their children's income and if they ever got into trouble their parents would be there to bail them out.

    And let me reiterate for hundredth time that I understand that she will still face some things that I won't face, specifically from the police.

    Now put a very wealthy black person and a very poor black person in a room. Yes they will have commonalities along the racial line. But what else? What else binds them? I promise a very poor white person would be able to communicate with the very poor black person better, even if he's got a confederate flag on his truck. I saw it every day in my tiny ass town in Alabama where virtually everyone was poor.
     
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  4. Merica

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    :facepalm:

    I criticize the fuck out of the right for playing identity politics. That's basically all they have, and obviously it works in their favor.

    Because we participate in it too and apparently that doesn't work in our favor, seen as how we have a god awful representation at the state and federal level.
     
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  5. Scblue

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    I'm black man, so spare me the bullshit.
     
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    ha :) no, I don't think you are voting for Trump any time soon, but I think you are going to get pushed out by your party, essentially, if you don't fall in line. Stop acting like white privilege does not exist.
     
  7. Merica

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    So for one time in your fucking life, please be specific. How do we change the political institutions if we don't have the votes to change it? How do we battle white privilege?

    One specific thing for once, not vague "you just aren't woke enough and you're posts are oozing with white privilege" bullshit response.
     
  8. Merica

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    My bad I was talking to every other person who has been involved in this discussion. I didn't realize that.
     
  9. three stacks

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    riner is the dunning-kruger effect personified
     
  10. Lyrtch

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    still on that "we got to win these Trump white folks vote" thing huh
     
  11. Fran Tarkenton

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    You didnt realize that he might not be white bc you run your fucking mouth talking as if you know something, when you dont know shit.

    Ask and learn before acting like an authority on every topic.
     
  12. Merica

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    I'm frustrated with them for sure. I'm not gonna act like the dumbass enlightened libertarian who acts like he does anything but vote republican (or democrat in my case.)
     
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    high-brow ice burn!
     
  14. Merica

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    You know what it's like to be black in America huh fran? Why don't you tell me what it's like?
     
  15. three stacks

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    why are you harping on this? haven't you shown empathy before?
     
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    I've been trying to tell you. You just haven't been listening...
     
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    Armenian genocide denier
     
  18. Fran Tarkenton

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    If youre asking to be provided one example of systemic racism in America then perhaps this thread is not for you, or you are trolling. Idk.

    Not wasting my time on a napoleonic bloviator (sic).
     
  19. LuPoor

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    I don't think you'll find a lot of love for him here. Denies the Armenian genocide and such.
     
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  20. Merica

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    Dude I'm incredibly empathetic. I think that should be apparent from the fact that I'm not on the "fuck all trumptards" train.

    Fran specifically does nothing but prod. He offers zero solutions, he just offers criticisms, and yes it pisses me off when I'm being told that I don't understand white privilege after I actually typed out what I believe it to be while he does nothing but just act like I'm not woke enough.

    I should have remembered that. But the point stands man. I don't understand what it's like to be black. I can try, but I'm never gonna understand.

    Do you disagree with my definition of white privilege that I posted yesterday? If so, what's your definition of it?
     
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  21. Merica

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    Point proven. I asked you how to change the political institutions and how we should battle white privilege.

    You deflect and say that I'm asking you to provide examples of systemic racism, when I didn't say that in any way.
     
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    this tangent sucks
     
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  23. OopsPowSurprise

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    You don't have to remember if a poster is black, white or whatever. Hell remembering that kind of shows the problems in our society
     
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    Yes, I disagree. Economic disparity is only one facet of white privilege. I'd imagine it's the one that is easiest for you to understand because its the most visible and straightforward. However, it goes well beyond that. I'd encourage you to spend more time reading the tons of literature on the issue. There isn't one definition I can give you other than there being advantages and disadvantages both explicit and implicit that minorities deal with that white people don't.
     
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  25. Merica

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    I definitely understand that it's a complex subject and I'd love to read more about it.

    But how do we actually battle the more complex parts that don't involve economics from a policy standpoint? You can't just make people unracist as sad as that is to say.
     
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    i just assume everyone is a computer simulation. really makes things easier when I tell someone to kill themself
     
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    Cenk is a try-hard doucher that grates on everyone.
     
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    Canada is the only Western industrialized nation that is not currently having a large scale right wing ethnonationalist uprising. A few reasons that I have seen brought up as reasons why: 1. They AGGRESSIVELY push multiculturalism as a benefit from day one in their public schools and never let up. 2. A surprisingly large portion of their skilled immigrant population lives in small town Canada, where they serve as the only game in town as far as dental care/medical care/etc. So it's either go see Dr Muhammad, or drive to the nearest city. And look at that, now you're interacting with racial minorities and learning they're normal people.

    You can make a population less racist, you just have to actually want to do it.
     
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    Trumpism blowing up in other paticular ways
     
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  32. Fran Tarkenton

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    just started I am Not Your Negro

    I needed to reaffirm my understanding
     
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  33. OopsPowSurprise

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    This about him speaking at the Trump hotel?

    He's a fucking worm
     
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  34. herb.burdette

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    There is a huge block of working class white voters in the Midwest that have swung every Presidential election since the term Reagan Democrat became a thing in 1980.

    They'll vote left on economic issues. No Democrat can win a Presidential election without them.

    What you saw in 2016 was Trump sweep through Western PA, Northern Ohio, Southern Michigan, and Eastern Wisconsin to tap into the economic dissatisfaction of this block.

    Are there racists in the Rust Belt, absolutely, but these voters don't swing on race.

    It's not about winning the Trump group of deplorables.

    It's about winning all Bernie Sanders voters who won him Michigan and Wisconsin because they liked his economic message. Those folks stayed home or went Trump because they bought what he was saying about free trade.
     
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  36. Fran Tarkenton

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    #11137 Fran Tarkenton, Aug 22, 2017
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    AUSTIN, Texas — The Civil War lessons taught to American students often depend on where the classroom is, with schools presenting accounts of the conflict that vary from state to state and even district to district.

    Some schools emphasize states' rights in addition to slavery and stress how economic and cultural differences stoked tensions between North and South. Others highlight the battlefield acumen of Confederate commanders alongside their Union counterparts. At least one suggests that abolition represented the first time the nation lived up to its founding ideals.

    The differences don't always break down neatly along geographic lines.

    "You don't know, as you speak to folks around the country, what kind of assumptions they have about things like the Civil War," said Dustin Kidd, a sociology professor at Temple University in Philadelphia.

    Lessons on the war and its causes usually begin in the fifth through eighth grades. That means attitudes toward the war may be influenced by what people learned at an age when many were choosing a favorite color or imagining what they wanted to be when they grew up.

    The effect may not be obvious until a related issue is thrust into the spotlight like this month's violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and the resulting backlash against Confederate symbols.

    Growing up in Charlottesville, Kidd said, he was taught that "folks from the North" had put forward the "misconception" that slavery was the cause of the war. The real origin, he was told, could be traced to groups of colonists from England who despised each other long before the rebellion began in 1861. Not until graduate school did he begin to question that premise.

    Confederate sympathizers have long promoted the "Lost Cause" theory that the Southern side was heroic against impossible odds, and that slavery was not the driving force behind the war. Edward Countryman, a history professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, said he learned that idea growing up in New York state in the 1950s.

    "I recall my father coming home when I was about 8 or 9 with two Civil War caps, one's gray and one's blue. And I wanted the gray one," Countryman said. "The belief, strongly, that the Civil War had been about anything but slavery was very, very powerful."

    A 2011 Pew Research Center poll found that 48 percent of Americans said the Civil War was mainly about states' rights, compared with 38 percent who said its main cause was slavery. Nine percent said both factors were equal.

    The divide in opinions broke down more by race than geography. Forty-eight percent of whites chose states' rights over slavery, while 39 percent of blacks did. But 49 percent of self-described Southern whites chose states' rights compared with 48 percent of whites who did not consider themselves Southern.

    The president of the Texas NAACP said finding "kinder" ways to describe the war's origins masks racism.

    "States' rights is about the whole idea of permitting slavery and allowing the South to do what they do, or, after slavery, to allow the South to engage in Jim Crow," Gary Bledsoe said. "You can't sanitize history and have history report that master and slave were out there singing 'Kumbaya' in the fields."

    Texas has 178 confederate monuments. Only Virginia has more, with 223, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights advocacy group.

    Democratic state Rep. Eric Johnson, meanwhile, is demanding the removal of a nearly 60-year-old plaque rejecting slavery as the Civil War's "underlying cause." Republican House Speaker Joe Straus has called for checking the accuracy of that plaque and nearly a dozen other Confederate symbols located around the state Capitol alone.

    When curriculum standards were approved in 2010 by Texas' Republican-controlled Board of Education, debate focused on slavery being a Civil War "after issue."

    The state's fifth- and seventh-graders taking Texas history courses, and eighth-graders taking U.S. history, are now asked to identify the causes of the war, "including sectionalism, states' rights and slavery."

    Eighth-graders also compare ideas from Abraham Lincoln's inaugural address with those from Confederate President Jefferson Davis' inaugural address, which did not mention slavery and instead endorsed small-government values still popular with many conservatives today.

    The eighth-grade curriculum also lists Confederate Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson alongside Frederick Douglass, a 19th century abolitionist, as examples of "the importance of effective leadership in a constitutional republic."

    Home to about 5.3 million public school students, Texas has a textbook market so large that volumes published for its classrooms can be sold in other states, though that influence has waned recently. Publishers can now more easily tailor electronic materials to the needs of individual markets.

    Still, in 2015, a publisher promised to make editorial changes after a mother in Houston complained that her son's ninth-grade geography textbook referred to African slaves as "workers" and immigrants."

    Virginia's standards of learning for U.S. history to 1865 include "describing the cultural, economic and constitutional issues that divided the nation" and "explaining how the issues of states' rights and slavery increased sectional tensions." Alabama fifth-graders "identify causes of the Civil War from the Northern and Southern viewpoints."

    Contrast that with Delaware, where school districts set their own curriculum but a syllabus for the eighth grade suggesting what might be covered during instruction says that abolition meant that the American people could for the first time "seriously claim to be living up to their commitment to the principle of liberty rooted in the American state papers."

    In Michigan, curriculum also is decided locally, though the state's social studies standards for the Civil War and Reconstruction in eighth grade include the instructions: "Explain the reasons (political, economic, and social) why Southern states seceded and explain the differences in the timing of secession in the Upper and Lower South."

    Massachusetts' framework for a U.S. history course asks students to "describe the rapid growth of slavery in the South after 1800 and analyze slave life and resistance on plantations and farms across the South."

    Chester Finn, president emeritus of the conservative Thomas B. Fordham Institute, an educational nonprofit, called teaching history and social studies "a real jigsaw puzzle" since many states leave standards up to school districts.

    Still, "If the state curriculum calls it the 'War of Northern Aggression' and says states' rights were dominated by the Yankee army crushing the good people of the South, and slighting the whole slavery issue," Finn said, "you can influence what a million kids take away."
     
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    This isn't that significant. I almost never see scripts for liquid Lomotil. The tablets are tiny and can be crushed. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I even saw that in stock.
     
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  40. LuPoor

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    He often swears he's done and takes two to four week sabbaticals. We're in the middle of one of those right now.
     
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    With nothing worth touting on either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, the GOP blood bath is coming

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    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell committed a sin Monday, admitting that Donald Trump has been scamming Americans about so-called "fake" news.

    "Most news is not fake," McConnell told the Louisville Chamber of Commerce.

    Whoa—them's fightin' words. That's Trump's bread and butter right there—his go-to retort to pretty much everything he doesn't like or understand, which is a lot.

    But McConnell's comments didn't come out of nowhere. Over the weekend, a Trump ally who is in frequent contact with newly departed Trump aide Steve Bannon started the finger pointing over who's responsible for the raft of Republican defeats since they seized control of the federal government. Politico writes:

    “There’s a lack of leadership on one side of Pennsylvania Avenue,” said David Bossie, a former Trump campaign adviser, appearing on “Fox News Sunday.”

    Bossie, who said he’s spoken to Bannon “many times” in recent days, said Bannon’s departure from the administration will help the administration at “leaning into Congress.” He repeatedly decried a “failure of leadership in the House and Senate.”

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan "have to step up,” Bossie said, adding, “The House and Senate leadership has not bought into the president’s agenda fully.”

    Meanwhile, Bannon is already delighting in the battle ahead, writes the Washington Post.

    In an interview in Washington on Saturday, Bannon warned Republican leaders to enthusiastically support Trump’s priorities on taxes, trade and funding a massive border wall — or risk the wrath of the president’s base, including Breitbart, to which Bannon returned Friday as executive chairman.

    “If the Republican Party on Capitol Hill gets behind the president on his plans and not theirs, it will all be sweetness and light, be one big happy family,” Bannon said.

    But Bannon added with a smile that he does not expect “sweetness” anytime soon...

    We're pretty sure Bannon cackled like Dr. Evil after that.



    Bannon is sure to be an equal opportunity destroyer, taking on anyone he believes is undercutting the white nationalist ideals he helped elevate during Trump's candidacy. That means everyone from from denizens of the Hill to the White House—including Trump and his family—will be fair game. Though McConnell was the chief target at Breitbart News on Monday night.

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    But Bannon will likely prove to be the same blunt instrument on the outside that he was on inside. His big mistake as a White House aide was having zero comprehension of or appreciation for the intricacies of producing and implementing policy—thus, the disastrous roll out of Trump's Muslim ban.

    Bannon hasn't learned a thing since then, still treating Republican lawmakers like a monolith that should "get behind" Trump. That means he'll be exactly as effective at pushing legislation through Congress now that he’s back at Breibart.

    What Bannon will succeed at is bloodying people up as he spins around Washington like a hammer thrower. He won't hit the right pressure points, but he'll surely knock some things down in the process.
     

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    "Have you given more to the economy than me and my husband?"

    Would love to see someone adapt Ayn Rand to today, except when all these titans of industry disappear, the economy works again.
     
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    She also wrote a fake book about her fake gap year in Zambia, where she lied about civil war spilling into the country, and how she saved some orphan.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-36716288
     
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    I've always been too turned off by the people who recommended that I read Atlas Shrugged to ever read it.
     
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  46. Merica

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    It's the most long winded piece of garbage I've ever read. That thing could have ended about 500 pages earlier and made every point she was attempting to make.

    Kinda like my posting.
     
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    FUCK the GOP all the way down to the local level, if there was any doubt

    NC lawmaker's take on slavery: 'call them slaves if you want to, but I would just call them workers'

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    Alamance County Commissioners: Top Row (L-R): Commissioner Bob Byrd, Commissioner Tim Sutton Bottom Row (L-R): Vice Chairman Bill Lashley, Chairman Eddie Boswell, Commissioner Amy Scott Galey
    Alamance County Commissioner Tim Sutton (featured in the top right row of the cover photo) has strong opinions on Confederate monuments (he thinks they should stay put), but it is his bizarre re-write of the history of slavery that is grabbing headlines today. In a Alamance County Commission meeting, monument defenders were trying to make their case for the momuments to stay, despite the fact their removal was not even on the commission’s agenda.

    It was during this meeting that Alamance County Commission Tim Sutton made several jaw-dropping comments while decrying “political correctness.” He included a story of his own family history and his preference to call the slaves who worked for his great grand-pappy “workers” instead of slaves. From the Times News:

    Commissioner Tim Sutton finalized the board’s comments by admitting he is a chartered member of the Sons of the Confederacy and hinted that his family once owned slaves.

    “I will never vote to do anything to take that statue or monument away from here for whatever reason,” Sutton said. “If it comes down, it goes back up. To heck with facts. The emotions have just gone haywire. I am not going to be a victim of political correctness. I am just not going to do it. Label me all you want, say what you will about me.

    “I am not ashamed of my great-grandfather,” Sutton continued. “He did what he did. It is my understanding that when he died, from Sarah, my grandmother, that some guys on the farm, you can call them slaves if you want to, but I would just call them workers, that they raised a good bit of my family. When the time came, my great-grandmother gave them land. I am not going to be an assault on logic, an assault on the history of this country and the heritage of this area and this country. Not going to do it.”

    Josie Duffy Rice of the Fair Punishment Project (and former Daily Kos contributor) reached out to Sutton to confirm his comments and he didn’t shy away from them one bit:
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