The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by bricktop, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    its amazing how 99% of the time someone says "its simple/basic economics" they say something super wrong
     
    OTM, 42yard, visa and 21 others like this.
  2. VaxRule

    VaxRule Mmm ... Coconuts
    Donor TMB OG
    Michigan WolverinesSwansea

    Freedom means nothing if you aren't free to consider enslaving yourself to prevent starvation
     
    OTM, 42yard, jorge and 6 others like this.
  3. Capstone 88

    Capstone 88 Going hard in the paint
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTennessee TitansNashville Predators2pac

    It's simple/basic economics....jet fuel can't melt steel beams
     
  4. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    I disagree with equal pay legislation only because those statistics citing pay differences ignore the fact that men work more dangerous jobs and more/worse hours. Having said that this letter is stupid to argue that men are a families primary breadwinners and thus deserve higher pay. That hasn't been true for decades and the idea that pay would be tied to your familial role is just wtf.
     
  5. Iron Mickey

    Iron Mickey a guy who posted here like five years ago hates me
    Donor TMB OG
    Arkansas RazorbacksSouth Carolina GamecocksLos Angeles DodgersDetroit LionsChelseaReal Salt Lake

    but literally a man and woman doing the same job the man gets paid more so :/
     
    OTM, 42yard, Merica and 14 others like this.
  6. timo

    timo g'day, mate
    Donor
    Penn State Nittany LionsPittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh PenguinsTottenham HotspurPittsburgh Pirates

    Democrats need to get themselves out of the fetal position and win this fucking election. Republicans are going to dump a truckload of money into this race.
     
    OTM, 42yard, Merica and 9 others like this.
  7. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

  8. Teflon Queen

    Teflon Queen The mentally ill sit perfectly still
    Donor
    Auburn Tigers

    People that think that way about women are so god damned weird. I can't even comprehend how you get to that point.
     
    OTM, shawnoc, timo and 1 other person like this.
  9. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    socially isolated + finding some real dark parts of the internet = mens rights activists

    which have seemingly all turned into Nazis/Trumpers
     
    OTM, 42yard, shawnoc and 9 others like this.
  10. kezarmyaj

    kezarmyaj eat your floor cereal
    Donor TMB OG
    Dallas CowboysEvertonAustin FCDallas Mavericks altTexas Tech Red Raiders alt

    stupid sexy independent women ruin everything >:(
     
    OTM, 42yard, shawnoc and 7 others like this.
  11. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    like the /redpill subreddit is monitored similarly to the KKK type portions of the internet if that tells you anything
     
    OTM, shawnoc, timo and 2 others like this.
  12. VaxRule

    VaxRule Mmm ... Coconuts
    Donor TMB OG
    Michigan WolverinesSwansea

    [​IMG]
     
    OTM, 42yard, shawnoc and 14 others like this.
  13. pez

    pez Competent
    Staff
    SMU Mustangs

    Iron Mickey found a shirt for you

    [​IMG]

    its short for commodores but still
     
    OTM, 42yard, Merica and 9 others like this.
  14. Prospector

    Prospector I am not a new member
    Donor
    Utah UtesArkansas Razorbacks

    Real shame, undoing all the positive coverage their citizens had produced the last couple of weeks
     
  15. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

  16. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    That's not the case in my line of work, is that the case where you work?
     
  17. herb.burdette

    herb.burdette Meet me at the corner of 8th and Worthington
    Donor
    Ohio State Buckeyes

    I've been in Cincinnati for 15 years, which historically is as Republican as Republican gets, from Salmon P. Chase through the Taft dynasty to John Boehner.

    I have never seen the city/county as blue as it is now.

    John Cranley, Connie Pillich, and Aftab Purveal have been to every major law firm in town for lunch or happy hour in the last month.

    I'm encouraged for 2018, the D's are out early here.

    Cranley is the Democratic mayor, declared Cincinnati a sanctuary city, and has taken complete media momentum away from State Treasurer Josh Mandel, who ran unsuccessfully for US Senate against Sherrod Brown in 2012. Mandel made immigration his issue, pandering to the base and eyeing 2018. Cranley has lined up a corporate Who's Who against the anti-immigrant nonsense among international employers like Procter & Gamble and GE Aircraft. He's basically running as the Chamber of Commerce Republican attacking Trump making Mandel look like a fool.

    Pillich already declared for governor and is raising money.

    Purveal is a 34 year old who took the Hamilton County Clerk race, literally, for the first time since 1912.

    Trump's bullshit is acting like fertilizer here.
     
    42yard, Merica, Uncle Si and 18 others like this.
  18. Iron Mickey

    Iron Mickey a guy who posted here like five years ago hates me
    Donor TMB OG
    Arkansas RazorbacksSouth Carolina GamecocksLos Angeles DodgersDetroit LionsChelseaReal Salt Lake

    no but n=2 is hardly the point. plus I work for the state with defined salaries.
     
    Hugo Boss and Redav like this.
  19. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
    Donor
    Kansas State WildcatsSeattle Kraken

    I don't doubt that women end up being paid less for the same roles at times but I don't think the problem is as pervasive as the 74 cents per dollar rhetoric.

    And there's cultural factors like women being less likely to negotiate for a salary.
     
    Merica and Hugo Boss like this.
  20. DelapThrows

    DelapThrows Comforter, Philosopher, and Lifelong Mate
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesAtlanta BravesDallas MavericksStoke City

    When you account for experience and education, the pay difference shrinks to about 1% or so. The issue is that there are many institutional and societal (and biological.... re: pregnancy) reasons that keep women from attaining that equal experience and education necessary to compete.
     
  21. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
    Donor
    Kansas State WildcatsSeattle Kraken

    This makes sense to me but it makes for a less compelling sound byte.
     
  22. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    I assumed you did. I know it's just anecdotal and it's certainly not the hill I'm gonna die on, I just think wages isn't the battle the women's rights movement should focus on.
     
  23. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    I'm all for promoting girls in STEM education, much better way to address earning disparity than wages.
     
  24. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

    Pile Driving Miss Daisy It angries up the blood
    Donor
    Texas LonghornsAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedGeorgia Southern Eagles

    This is very much my thought. I work as a software developer, this is a field where there has been a magnifying glass on the lack of diversity outside east/central asian heritage. I would love to have lots and lots of people form non-traditional white/male backgrounds, but the fact of the matter is that you have to address this (and other fields) as an issue where change must be focused on those who are young rather than getting upset why things aren't magically better right now.
     
    RescueWho??? and Hugo Boss like this.
  25. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

    Right. That has to be cultivated during high school and college. My undergrad was pretty good with girls in biology classes, but the comp sci department's students were pretty exclusionary with girls until a bunch of legit good people worked into the meat of the projects and clubs.

    The environment has changed ridiculously fast for some schools, not so fast in others. Not for lack of trying, but being a dick to boy/girl classmates doesn't usually happen in full view of faculty, so attitudes are hard to mediate sometimes.
     
    #5425 Can I Spliff it, Feb 17, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2021
    Merica, Redav and Iron Mickey like this.
  26. DEAD7

    DEAD7 Well-Known Member

    Where is this happening? Which employer is doing this?
     
  27. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
    Donor
    Kansas State WildcatsSeattle Kraken

    Porn.

    Wait, no. Woman gets paid more.
     
  28. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci lying dog-faced pony soldier
    Donor
    Wolfsburg

    check mate
     
    OTM, Joe Withabee, Uncle Si and 4 others like this.
  29. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    That doesn't just come from classmates. Parents can be a big part of this.
     
  30. Hugo Boss

    Hugo Boss The poster formerly known as CarolinaRPh
    South Carolina GamecocksPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesTottenham HotspurCharlotte FC

    Ooh, while we're talking wage inequality. Adoption of paternity leave so men also have large gaps in employment would also be beneficial.
     
    Merica, RescueWho??? and Prospector like this.
  31. Fran Tarkenton

    Fran Tarkenton Hilton Honors VIP
    Donor
    Wake Forest Demon DeaconsGeorgia Bulldogs

    Lmao youre going to make him go line item by line item then convienently attempt to strike down every presented example. Real life Steve Harvey of Fresno.

    Ill throw out the US Womens Soccer team. Spare me of pointing out why you, erroneously, want that to be wrong.
     
    timo, Redav, Iron Mickey and 2 others like this.
  32. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
    Donor
    Kansas State WildcatsSeattle Kraken

    Paternity leave would be dank
     
    Hugo Boss likes this.
  33. High Cotton

    High Cotton Where does this fall in our Christian walk?
    Donor
    Auburn Tigers

    Serial numbers are registered at purchase and I'll pass on a yearly registration fee for obvious 2a reasons. Background check is $5, maybe raise it to $10 or $20 at purchase. On the economic side, a yearly Ad Valorum tax of say 2% for something worth a few hundred dollars is more trouble than its worth and couldn't self fund the program, labor, or systems required.
     
    #5433 High Cotton, Feb 17, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2017
  34. High Cotton

    High Cotton Where does this fall in our Christian walk?
    Donor
    Auburn Tigers

    Better or worse, they still get fucked.
     
    Name P. Redacted likes this.
  35. Chicago Seminole

    Chicago Seminole Well-Known Member

    Just read a book called "economism" about this.

    People take their intro to macro/micro classes for their business degree, then erroneously Apply those simplified models to real world problems "but if you raise the minimum wage it reduces employment bro"
     
    OTM, 42yard, High Cotton and 9 others like this.
  36. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    i mean, the answer from my understanding is Obama had to get 60 votes for a mostly unpopular idea when part of the 60 Dems were to the right of the Heitkamp/Manchin types now and others knew they'd get primaried killing their political careers basically forever when they cast that vote. people forget how radical some of the ideas that were part of Hillarys platform were just in '08, gay marriage was a non-starter but now it'd torpedo any Dem candidate who opposed it for example. the right has swung wildly right in the last eight years, but the Dem base has also swung to a lesser degree left.

    so they hemmed and hawed, worked with big pharmaceutical and insurance companies to craft a piece of legislation that could get them 60 votes, Joe Lieberman being basically a Republican killed any chance of a public option

    today Obama would have gone nuclear and jammed something through with 50 votes that was much more progressive, but his weakness has always been assuming good faith on behalf of those working against him.

    feels like another example of assuming intent instead of just reasonable outcome based on parameters set
     
    42yard, High Cotton, visa and 14 others like this.
  37. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

    ..
     
    RescueWho??? and TwoPoor like this.
  38. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor



    The replies to this are good
     
    High Cotton and Iron Mickey like this.
  39. LuPoor

    LuPoor Cuddle with the homies watching Stand By Me
    Donor
    Tulsa Golden HurricaneOklahoma City ThunderTottenham HotspurSeattle Kraken

    A lot to unpack in there
     
  40. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

  41. chuckmasterflex

    chuckmasterflex Attack and dethrone God
    Donor TMB OG
    Tennessee VolunteersUnited States Men's National Soccer TeamLiverpool

    I can no longer find even a tether to anything reassembling a rational basis for the current Republican policy decisions.

    Most major corporations believe in climate change, but elected Republican lawmakers want to kill the EPA for maybe 5 years of decent profits for energy companies.
     
    42yard, High Cotton, Merica and 5 others like this.
  42. bic

    bic the way out is through
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Ohio State BuckeyesBoston Celtics

    [​IMG]
     
    OTM, 42yard, High Cotton and 21 others like this.
  43. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor



    This dude runs zero hedge, right?
     
    AlternativeFactsRule and Redav like this.
  44. DEAD7

    DEAD7 Well-Known Member

    [​IMG]
     
  45. LuPoor

    LuPoor Cuddle with the homies watching Stand By Me
    Donor
    Tulsa Golden HurricaneOklahoma City ThunderTottenham HotspurSeattle Kraken

  46. herb.burdette

    herb.burdette Meet me at the corner of 8th and Worthington
    Donor
    Ohio State Buckeyes

  47. cutig

    cutig My name is Rod, and I like to party
    Donor
    Clemson TigersNebraska CornhuskersCarolina PanthersKansas City Chiefs

    Iron Mickey likes this.
  48. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor

  49. Can I Spliff it

    Can I Spliff it Is Butterbean okay?
    Donor