The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. VaxRule

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    You can talk about that here

    Edit - assuming you agree with government regulation of markets.
     
  2. Redav

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    We'll get that capitalist out of you in a few months
     
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    here
     
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  5. Name P. Redacted

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    I'm cool with capitalism within a heavily regulated environment
     
  6. Fran Tarkenton

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  7. Iron Mickey

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    managed markets really aren't *that* bad. biggest issue is exportation of exploitation. you get a reasonable floor and ceiling with consumer protections and incentives for innovation/competition and you have a reasonable stew. it isn't weed and pizza full communism stew, but it's stew.
     
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  8. VaxRule

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    Also, I am a bigger fan of evolution than revolution.
     
  9. Teflon Queen

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    Mostly agree but it sure would be enjoyable to see McConnell, Ryan, et al tortured on the national mall
     
  10. VaxRule

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    Oh, make no mistake, I am still for capital punishment in limited cases. I think treason is still a good use of it.
     
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  13. Prospector

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    the govt's legacy wrt housing is crazy. there have been several npr programs regarding the social engineering of federal housing policy in the 20th century.

    not related but wtf

    Hitler Street’ and swastika landscaping: A New York enclave’s hidden Nazi past

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    [​IMG]© Court filing/U.S. District Court, Eastern District of New York Included in a lawsuit against the German-American Settlement League, this archival photo shows men in Italian Blackshirts uniforms marching under…
    One of the first signs that something was wrong at the exclusive Siegfried Park enclave was the interview.

    Philip Kneer and his then-fiancee, Patricia Flynn — both first-time homeowners — were told they had to be approved by the German-American Settlement League’s board of directors before they could close on the two-bedroom house in Long Island.

    But board members took one look at them and said the interview wouldn’t be necessary, the couple said in a lawsuit. They had the board’s blessings.

    They later learned the reason they received such a quick stamp of approval back in 1999: They’re white.

    White with German roots, to be precise.

    Philip Kneer has German on his mother’s side. Patricia Flynn-Kneer’s grandmother was German and lived in Berlin. And one of the German-American Settlement League’s primary purposes, according to its bylaws, was to “cultivate and propagate in every direction true Germanic culture and to cultivate the German language, customs and ideals.”

    But Siegfried Park’s German connection went much deeper — and darker — than that.

    The community was founded by Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s and had been an enclave for training Aryan youth, according to lawsuit filed by Kneer and Flynn. The German-American Settlement League’s goal: Raise the future leaders of America — and make sure they were steeped in Nazi ideals.

    In an article about the community, Untapped Cities, a site that covers New York’s secrets and hidden history, called Siegfried Park “an indoctrination camp.”

    Decades ago, German Americans marched in the community under a Nazi flag and delivered “Heil Hitler” salutes near where the Kneers’ home stood, according to the New York Daily News.

    Since the fall of the Third Reich, the community has distanced itself from its Nazi past. The Nazi flag bush is gone. “Hitler” and “Goebbels” streets have been renamed.

    But vestiges remained, including the housing bylaws designed to keep out blacks, Hispanics and other minorities, according to the New York Attorney General’s Office.

    This week, state prosecutors announced that they had settled with the German-American Settlement League to fix nearly a century of racially discriminatory housing practices. Officials were alerted to the problem by a 2015 New York Times story about the Kneers’ lawsuit, which called the league’s housing policies and practices discriminatory and alleged that they were in violation of the Fair Housing Act.

    New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman felt similarly, saying in a statement that the league’s “discriminatory practices were a remnant of a disgraceful past that has no place in New York or anywhere. This agreement will once and for all put an end to the GASL’s discrimination, ensuring that all New Yorkers are afforded equal access to housing opportunities — regardless of their race or national origin.”

    The league settled with the Kneers a year ago, agreeing to pay $175,000 for damages and attorney fees, according to Newsday, citing court records.

    State prosecutors got involved because “there still wasn’t a significant turnover after the private settlement,” Assistant Attorney General Diane Lucas said. “We didn’t want it to just be changes in policies and procedures without an actual effect.”

    No one answered the phone at a listed number for the German-American Settlement League. But in 2015, the group’s president, Robert Kessler, told the New York Times that the community had moved on from its racist past. “Most people don’t even know any of this happened here; it hardly comes up,” he told the Times.

    Of the Kneers, Kessler said then: “They’re just bitter they couldn’t get the price they wanted for their home.”

    According to the couple’s lawsuit, filed in federal court in 2015, people who live in the community don’t own the land their homes sit on — they lease plots from the league.

    And the league dictated who could live in Siegfried Park — and who couldn’t.

    Under the settlement with the attorney general, the league is now prohibited from discriminating against people because of race or national origin. It was also required to revise its membership policies and to ensure that its housing codes are in line with fair housing laws.

    The attorney general’s office got involved after the Kneers filed a lawsuit with the help of Long Island Housing Services.

    The couple’s family had outgrown their two-bedroom house in Siegfried Park, and they wanted to sell — but it was hard to find buyers.

    The bylaws prevented them from advertising in any real estate publications.

    They said they told the league’s board president it was difficult to find buyers, but were told “these rules were not going to be changed because the members wanted to keep it the way it is.”

    At a membership meeting shortly afterward, a motion to let the Kneers put a “for sale” sign in their yard was rejected.

    So they filed a lawsuit, which detailed a nearly century-old connection to the Nazis and modern-day discrimination.

    The 50-home community in Yaphank, Long Island, started out as Camp Siegfried, just a train ride away from New York City for German expatriates.

    A group of Nazi sympathizers snapped up 40 acres of land next to a lake and opened what was then called the Friends of New Germany Picnic grounds in the late 1930s, according to the Daily News. It was named after a pro-Nazi group that later became known as the German American Bund.

    To outsiders, it looked like a place for German Americans to congregate with people who had a similar heritage. There was a pool and archery competitions. Women in German peasant costumes greeted people at the gates.

    But photos showed that the club also flew Hitler Youth flags. One photo, which was included in the lawsuit, shows men in Italian Blackshirts uniforms marching at Camp Siegfried beneath a Nazi flag. The Blackshirts were the paramilitary wing of the National Fascist Party in Italy, one of Germany’s allies during World War II, and were distinguished by their black uniforms.

    Other photos from the New York Department of Records showed people sitting at picnic tables wearing Nazi military uniforms.

    The lawsuit also included a newspaper interview with Henry Hauck, the manager at what was then called Camp Siegfried.

    The reporter asked if camp members and visitors supported Nazi ideas.

    “Generally speaking, yes,” Hauck replied, “but only as they concern Germany, not the United States.”
     
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  14. Name P. Redacted

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    Ya man federal housing policy has been crazy racist and helped suppress wealth growth of the black population
     
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  15. Mister Me Too

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    There has never been a housing related question (housing bubble bursting was more of a banking issue) asked in any presidential debate. I hope that becomes an issue that the democrats adopt in 2020 because rentals are extremely high and first time home ownership is difficult to obtain as well.
     
  16. Iron Mickey

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    residency issues in the US are so overlooked and so broken
     
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  17. Cherno Alpha

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    Aren't you like, living in a tent by now?
     
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  18. Iron Mickey

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    HEY I STILL GET TO OPINE OK
     
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    FINE!

    I GUESS!
     
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  20. Mister Me Too

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    I think it's an abandoned bus, but maybe if housing issues were addressed Iron Mickey could upgrade to a double wide.
     
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  21. Iron Mickey

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    Look at all these bourgeois critics.
     
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    I AM A LEGAL RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY
     
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  23. Iron Mickey

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    Also I'm legitimately living without cell or wifi at the moment. Shit is lit.
     
  24. Iron Mickey

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    YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT BUT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AS WELL
     
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  25. Cherno Alpha

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    Trickle down likes...you should thank me
     
  26. Cherno Alpha

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    and also tax breaks
     
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  27. herb.burdette

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    I have never tried avacado toast. I also carry a mortgage.
     
  28. Mister Me Too

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    Tax breaks for the WC, more tax brackets and increase SS tax limit to at least $1M salary, but us libs love taxing job creators.
     
  29. Prospector

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    for some it seems the red pill is too bitter to swallow
    dk btw you delicate flowers

    Republican state rep. behind misogynist Reddit forum resigns
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    By wagatwe
    Wednesday May 17, 2017 · 4:44 PM CDT
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    Now he'll have more time to hate on women!

    When the Daily Beast revealed the extensive anti-woman Internet history of New Hampshire Republican state Rep. Robert Fisher, he ignored calls for his resignation and said he wasn’t going anywhere. Fortunately, that declaration didn’t last very long. The Concord Monitor reports:

    New Hampshire state Rep. Robert Fisher resigned on Wednesday, a few hours after a House committee narrowly voted to recommend no disciplinary action against him for his involvement in a misogynistic online forum.

    The abrupt resignation came amid calls for the Attorney General’s Office to investigate Fisher for possible perjury, after he said under oath last week he is no longer involved in the Reddit forum known as “The Red Pill.”

    When the truth about his misogynist, rapey beliefs came to light, Fisher tried to make this new problem go away with the now classic Republican approach: deny, deny, deny. Fortunately, he was not smart enough to cover up his extensive trail of online activity as a so-called “men’s rights activist.” On the other hand, it seems that this resignation shouldn’t be seen as a sign that he’s any less sorry about his dangerous and violent beliefs. Check out his resignation statement:

    “Unfortunately, the falsehoods, lies and comments of an overzealous blogger and some of my colleagues have created a situation where I must genuinely consider the safety and wellbeing of my girlfriend, my family, and myself,” he said in an email. “It is with a heavy heart that I will be unable to complete my term.”

    Farewell, Fisher. You won’t be missed — by the folks who believe women are people, anyway.
     

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  30. High Cotton

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  31. High Cotton

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    Y'all rolling in the camper exploring our greatest national treasures?
     
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  32. High Cotton

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    Had it for breakfast Tuesday, was fantastic. Rec'd my monthly mortgage statement in the mail later that day.
     
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  33. Iron Mickey

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    Maybe.
     
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  34. cutig

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  35. Iron Mickey

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    Reluctant to talk about it with past history on the board. But some dope shit is on the horizon.
     
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  36. cutig

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    Understandable. I was gonna suggest some places on the upper great plains that generally get overlooked
     
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  37. Iron Mickey

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    Whatcha got, man?
     
  38. Cherno Alpha

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    You should take one of those Spicey lawn ornaments and catalog the trip

    edit: I know I know, identifiable bullshit...but it would be funny
     
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  39. High Cotton

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    My Mom worked at Great Wind Cave in Dakota her first NPS summer. Cool geology and one of the longest cave systems in the world.

    If you get as far as Tetons, pm and I can set you up with her for a good tour of the park's hotspots.
     
  40. ned's head

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    Just a bleeding heart lib popping in to say that I eat avocado toast at least 6 days a week.
     
  41. Redav

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    Is Mickey, Chris McCandless?
     
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  42. Iron Mickey

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    Supertramp bro.
     
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  43. Iron Mickey

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    Ever just bake the avocado? Slice in half, pull the seed, put cajun seasoning, old bay, whatever, in a nice thick layer. 425 for 15 minutes or until it's crispy on the seasoned side.
     
  44. ned's head

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    Never thought to turn such a refreshing thing warm. I'm going to try this tomorrow and see how it affects my political stance.

    http://allrecipes.com/recipe/240744/paleo-baked-eggs-in-avocado/
     
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  45. Prospector

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    dk don't care bitches

    US surveillance recorded Russian agents vowing to "get" Hillary Clinton
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    Thursday May 18, 2017 · 8:00 PM CDT
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    Via the Hill.

    U.S. spies reportedly heard a Russian military intelligence officer bragging about his organization planning to target Hillary Clinton in May 2016.

    The officer told a colleague that GRU would cause havoc in America’s presidential election, Time reported Thursday.

    The officer reportedly described the intelligence agency’s effort as retribution for what Russian President Vladimir Putin considered Clinton’s influence campaign against him while serving as secretary of State.

    Senior U.S. intelligence officials told Time that American spies transcribed the conversation and sent it to headquarters for analysis.

    Time reported that an official document based on the raw intelligence was then circulated.

    “We didn’t really understand the context of it until much later,” a senior U.S. intelligence official said.

    This here is the decision point, this is where Russia was discovered — before the first release of DNC emails via DCLeaks in June 2016 — to have already been working on undermining Hillary Clinton’s presidential aspirations.

    The real question is whether anyone in the Trump campaign was aware of this help they were about to receive, and how much they were willing to help the Russians in exchange.



    In law enforcement there is a concept known as “consciousness of guilt.” It’s where someone over protests their innocence, overreacts to what should be a harmless question, or tried to repeatedly hide something that shouldn’t, on it’s own, be a suspicious act. And then you have the Trump campaign who repeatedly lied about having 18 phone, face to face and electronic contacts with Russian officials.

    On Thursday morning, Reuters reported that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and other Trump campaign advisers “were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race.”

    That news stands in contrast to what Trump transition team chair-turned-Vice President Mike Pence said in January, when he repeatedly denied during TV interviews that there was any communication between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

    Reuters, citing current and former U.S. officials familiar with the communications, reports that the “previously undisclosed interactions form part of the record now being reviewed by FBI and congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election and contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russia.”

    Six of the contacts were between Flynn and Kislyak.

    And then there is the nature of exactly why these contacts seemed to have been happening over and over again.

    According to Reuters, during the transition period, Flynn and Kislyak discussed “establishing a back channel for communication between Trump and [Putin] that could bypass the U.S. national security bureaucracy, which both sides considered hostile to improved relations.”

    If one were to put together a prime facie case of quid pro quo between Trump and Russia this, in addition to lying about blocking changes to the RNC platform to keep it more favorable to Russia, and Michael Flynn illegally discussing sanctions against Russia with Kislyak and lying about that too, again, continue to show there was a consciousness of guilt as they continually avoided telling the truth.

    From the time of the campaign through early March, Trump officials issued at least 20 separate denials of communications with Russia. On January 16, Trump told reporters, “I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge, no person that I deal with does.” A month later, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said despite Flynn’s transition-period contacts with Kislyak, he wasn’t aware of any Trump associates being in contact with Russian officials during the campaign. On February 20, Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that Trump-Russia “is a non-story because to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place, so it’s hard to make a comment on something that never happened.”

    But contacts did take place, a lot of contacts. If there was no ill intent to any of these contacts, if they were just “business as usual”, if all of this wasn’t a great big bag of “thank you” to Russian for what they did to Hillary Clinton’s campaign — why all the specific lies about it all?
     

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  46. High Cotton

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    Yeah, but I like to put an egg where the seed was and bake it off.
     
  47. Iron Mickey

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    This is good too.
     
  48. Iron Mickey

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    That fiber and spice :ohmy:
     
  49. Iron Mickey

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    did we lose the banderas face
     
  50. Cherno Alpha

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    :banderas:
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