The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Lyrtch

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    i dont really LIKE any media members. Chris Hayes is pretty much it.

    i've said it before but Hasan Piker does some of the most accessible to young people and not clearly just shilling a viewpoint political coverage on the internet, it's just in a really weird format
     
  2. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I like Piker, but I would be shocked if he didn't have a similar view about Russiagate like Ball and others have.
     
  3. Truman

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    I dont consume a lot of Pikers content. But when I do he’s have a man child temper tantrum about something a third of the time. It’s hard to take him seriously, even though I agree w a lot of what he says
     
  4. Lyrtch

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    he does but he'll explicitly say the why part which others kind of obfuscate
    twitch is a different world, he's also gotten way better about raging at random people trying to troll him into getting mad. having a massively bigger audience makes it harder to even see people saying shit at this point.
     
  5. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Sure, I think that's also a function of being on Twitch where he's not trying to cram a certain amount of discourse everything into a 1 hour podcast or a tweet.

    I couldn't really get into it since it's all over the place, but I watched a bunch when he was in Vegas canvassing for Bernie.
     
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    i like jeremy scahill but intercepted has been getting darker and darker lately so i kind of stopped listening
     
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    I like him too but yeah it’s gotten dark. Also I swear his voice has gotten a few octaves higher and when he’s ranting, it’s sounding very shrill.
     
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    Finished. It was really good. Provides both a practical and moral basis for progressive policies. If you’re someone who has conversations w people about what our gov can and can’t go, this is something you should read and have in your back pocket.
     
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    Imagine getting your politics analysis from anything besides Mark Blyth quarantine youtube vids, Revolutions podcast, and the Cuck Philosophy channel

    Smh couldnt be me
     
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    Revolutions is bullshit because the episodes are only like 25-30 minutes long
     
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    Why do you believe Mitch McConnell was able to survive, politically, through the major shifts brought about to the GOP from the Tea Party, to the “young guns,” and now to Trump?

    As a party leader, how has he successfully avoided the wrath and resentment of conservative voters in his state, while others such as Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan, all fell out of favor with voters and the party at large?

    P.S. - huge fan of your work, and studied it frequently in college while majoring in communications with a focus on campaign rhetoric. I took a lot of cues from your speeches while writing mock campaign speeches in my courses. I was so good at it that I now test software for a living in a completely unrelated field.


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    I think Mitch McConnell is incredibly politically saavy - and he doesn't have that many principles besides winning.

    One of the things I was shocked to learn when I was writing the book, is that when he was my age (early 30s), McConnell was for campaign finance reform, very pro Civil Rights, and even pro-choice. And he just flipped on all that stuff. But that same slipperiness has made it easier for him to survive politically. The other thing is that Kentucky went from being a blue/swing state to being a deep red state during his career. If was from California he wouldn't have been able to govern the way he has.
     
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    I don’t want to read about Mitch unless it’s a story about him experiencing some kind of pain
     
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    Please tag me if you find one thanks in advance
     
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    Bolivia is still a Trump administration backed dictatorship, 6 months after the coup

     
  20. Truman

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    Idk why Bolivia isnt getting the coverage Venezuela does. I guess because they did it relatively smoothly while Venezuela was a mess
     
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    man i’m gonna be sad if bitch ass engel beats out bowman
     
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    Because Bolivia is how it’s supposed to happen
     
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    Yeah from the media's perspective the "good guys" have won that one.
     
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    We got our unpopular, ineffective, brutal right winger in! Freeeeeedom.
     
  26. MA

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    Super awesome that after 2016, and all we've experienced since, we still have people feeding the "Dems are basically just as bad as GOPers" narrative.
     
  27. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yep, no room for nuance and actual discussions about the Dem candidate who authored the crime bill.
     
  28. MA

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    Do you think my post is anti-nuance and actual discussion? Why?
     
  29. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    It's a meme from someone who I'm fairly certain is voting for Biden. You've complained about this stuff before, the Democratic party isn't the death cult the GOP is but they've long been in bed with pro-cop/military/neoliberalism forces which are very much responsible for the state we're in. They have to be dragged kicking and screaming to see that most marginalized people don't like their platform that much.
     
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  30. MA

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    I've complained because I don't want people to become apathetic and not vote because they start seeing the two parties as basically the same. That's just going to fuck over marginalized people again.

    I'm still a bit confused though. Do you think it takes more nuance to see the problems of the Democratic party and conclude that they're basically as bad as the GOP than it does to see those same problems and acknowledge that they're still far better for people, and especially marginalized people, than the GOP?
     
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  31. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    My complaint about nuance was that you came charging in because a meme pissed you off and made assumptions.
     
  32. MA

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    It's not lost on me that you're injecting quite a bit of aggressiveness and emotion into my reply, saying I came "charging in" and was "pissed off." Why'd you do that? I just made a post in here like everyone else does.

    Now what assumptions did I make?
     
  33. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Why did you quote the poster then instead of just stating that? It's not lost on me that you've made these arguments before, why did that meme irritate you? Do you honestly think the Democratic party isn't responsible for so much of the over-militarization and commando-style of policing we've seen in the past few decades?
     
  34. MA

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    1. Because I was responding to his post and I don't like sub-tweet style posting.
    2. Again you're injecting emotion into my reply. But I disagreed with the meme because for all its faults, I don't think the Democratic party is close to as bad as the GOP, and I certainly think the two parties are trending in very different directions.
    3. Of course the Democratic party is also responsible for the militarization and commando-style policing of the last few decades.

    I've got nothing to hide, so I answered your questions. Why did you dodge mine about injecting aggressiveness and emotion into my reply?
     
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  35. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Fair enough.

    Because it's a message board, and I'm pissed about lots of other things going on the world, and because it looks like you're doing a drive-by vote scolding thing in the thread where 99% of us really do not like the Democratic party, that should be reserved for the Democratic Party or other threads imo.
     
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    I did not mean for it to come off vote scolding anyone. I just think the easiest way right now to help people and get progressives into office is by getting Democrats elected in November and so I want to push back against any sentiment that equates Dems and the GOP. And also because, while this thread is full of learned people, a lot of the populace isn't and I don't want more people getting infected with that South Park style "both sides suck, it's better to not care" attitude that so many people have, and I think spreading memes like that one can contribute to it.

    Maybe people disagree with that take or it still doesn't belong in here, but I did at least make it in good faith.
     
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    :-)

     
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    A Black Progressive Beat A 16-Term Democrat In A Heated New York Congressional Primary

    Jamaal Bowman, an educator in the Bronx, win over Eliot Engel, a 16-term congressman, is a signal victory for progressives.

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    Jamaal Bowman, a former educator and middle school principal from the Bronx, declared victory Wednesday over Rep. Eliot Engel, a 16-term member of Congress who represents New York’s 16th congressional district.

    The primary win is a galvanizing moment for national progressives, just two years after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who backed Bowman, sparked a new wave of progressive organizing to push the Democratic Party further left. And, like with Ocasio-Cortez’s success in 2018, it is another win for a challenger who cast the incumbent as too out-of-touch with their district.

    “I’m a Black man who was raised by a single mother in a housing project. That story doesn’t usually end in Congress. But today, that 11-year old boy who was beaten by police is about to be your next Representative,” Bowman said in a statement Wednesday morning. “I cannot wait to get to Washington and cause problems for the people maintaining the status quo.”

    New York is still counting votes and may be for days, with a huge increase in absentee voting during the coronavirus pandemic. But Decision Desk HQ and others have found that Bowman's lead over Engel is too much for the incumbent to make up.

    Bowman’s candidacy was propelled over the last month by national protests against police brutality and a surging Black Lives Matter movement. He was one of several Black candidates to have a strong result in Tuesday’s elections.

    “Tonight as we celebrate, we don’t just celebrate me as an individual, we celebrate this movement,” Bowman said during a speech Tuesday night. “A movement designed to push back against a system that’s literally killing us. It’s killing Black and brown bodies disproportionately, but it’s killing all of us.”

    During his remarks, Bowman said he would only mention his opponent once.

    “Eliot Engel, and I’ll say his name once, used to say he was a thorn in the side of Donald Trump. But you know what Donald Trump is more afraid of than anything else? A Black man with power,” he said.


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    Jamaal Bowman, who has a lead in his primary against Eliot Engel, just spoke to supporters. "Our movement is designed to restore that faith, to restore that hope, to bring back the belief in what is possible, to root our values in everything we do."


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    Bowman is expected to win the seat outright in November in a Democratic-heavy district that spans across parts of New York City and stretches into Westchester.

    Bowman’s race was just the most high profile in a series of New York congressional primaries pitting progressives against incumbent Democrats or those with the backing of the mainstream establishment.

    Mondaire Jones, 33, appeared to win the primary for an open House seat in New York City’s suburbs with the support of Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders. Jones would be the first Black gay member of Congress should he win the seat. Rep. Carolyn Maloney faces a tight rematch from Suraj Patel, who ran in 2018 and secured 40% of the vote. Patel, a former Obama campaign staffer, ran on a platform similar to Bowman's of a Green New Deal, defunding ICE, and debt-free college. Rep. Yvette Clarke again faced Adem Bunkeddeko, a 32-year-old progressive who came within just 2,000 votes of defeating Clarke in 2018. Clarke appeared to beat Bunkeddeko Tuesday night.

    But Bowman’s race gained the most attention over the last month, and was the contest progressives were most invested in winning.

    Bowman, who is 44 and a former middle school principal in the Bronx, began his campaign with the backing of Justice Democrats and other progressive networks that helped Ocasio-Cortez win in 2018. He campaigned on priorities for the left, like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal, while also centering education and investment in public schools.

    Engel, the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, took heat late in the campaign for being absent from his district during the coronavirus pandemic and for announcing that he would be at events in the district that he ultimately did not attend.

    In early June, Engel was caught on a hot mic at an event to address protestors against police brutality in his district telling the organizer, Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr., that he only wanted to speak because of his campaign.

    “If I didn’t have a primary, I wouldn’t care,” he said.

    Two days later, Engel’s campaign released a statement saying he would refuse The New York Times endorsement after the paper ran a column from Sen. Tom Cotton calling for the use of military force against protesters.

    “I have decided not to seek the New York Times endorsement and I call on my opponents in this race to do the same,” he said in the statement. “Sadly, any endorsement from an editorial board that supports the publication of such un-American demands at a time of great pain and turmoil is not worth the paper it’s printed on.”

    A week later, the paper endorsed Bowman.

    Engel still had powerful support for his campaign for a 17th term, including from Hillary Clinton and powerful House Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Jim Clyburn, Hakeem Jeffries, and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo.
     
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  43. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I was within a percentage point of every one of naganole 's except for diplomatic, where I was 70.6 world/"peaceful"
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    Pretty much the same
     
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    The single most disappointing thing about the Democratic party is the way they become woke on black issues around election time. They do a little here and there so they can say we tried, then pander for black votes which we give because the other side is literally a death threat to us.

    The sad part is the police violence going on isn't remotely new but it gives them a chance to show how committed they are, right until they fold after the election.
     
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