A Vieira Beautiful Future - Wild Dreams

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  1. tne

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    Yeah...

    But he’s cheap and think about all the Greece/Germany jokes we can make with Mavro and him.

    Though if our new CB purchases are him and the 22 year old Turk I’ll be very underwhelmed
     
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  2. zeberdee

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    a Sokratis-Mustafi partnership is terrifying.
     
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  3. Wu

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    I trust in manager yet to be appointed
     
  4. pratyk

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    I'm ok with the uncertainty that Arteta would bring vs. the certainty that we'd have a season of mostly lows & some highs with Wenger.
     
  5. zeberdee

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    these aren't the only two options. in fact, one isn't even an option anymore.
     
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  6. tne

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    these are both true points

    but hey, at least I'm excited enough about Arsenal to make fake lineups and talk to Rainey

    so how bad can it be
     
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  7. elfrid

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    thought sokratis would have been an amazing signing two or three years ago, but now...

    oh well

    iswt
     
  8. AUShyGuy

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    I’d be intrigued for Arteta. Might go down in flames but the unknown of it all is at least interesting which I couldn’t say about the team for a long time.

    Probably a combination of having no clue who the other real options are and thinking Arteta as a player and Pep/Barca protege could produce some new formations/tactics.

    and his hair is unflappable
     
  9. AUShyGuy

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    Also good for Danny on making the England squad
     
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  10. pratyk

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    For a cheap club like Arsenal, those are the only realistic options.
     
  11. zeberdee

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    Wenger was making $14 million a year, and while we're not City, you really can't complain about the money that has been put into transfers the last few years. so I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
     
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  12. Jorts

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    Cheap was the wrong word. We aren’t hitching our wagon to a tier 1 manager, that would demand control. We need a coach.
     
  13. pratyk

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    This. While we may have spent recently, the owner is surely not going to invest anything out of his own pocket - not to mention, some of the wage increases were mindnumbingly stupid.
     
  14. False9

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    Fair enough. But (Council houses aside) London is a tier 1 city, Arsenal can afford to pay tier 1 money, and Arsenal are a tier 1.5 club (used to be tier 1). So the best we could do is a coach that no other mid table club would even consider?

    Arteta will have my support and I won’t bitch about it once he is named, but if this gamble doesn’t work then those responsible need to be sacked as well. Hopefully he is a less-goofy European football version of Dabo Swinney.
     
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  15. Gunners

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    Not on the clean house if Arteta is a bust but need to do much much better on player recruitment and our commercial deals, kinda hard to get big commercial money though when we're in Europa league and the stadium was half full most the year.

    Big summer ahead. Need to fix midfield, defense, goalie, Ramsey, Wilshere, Welbeck, Reiss; we'll see.
     
  16. elfrid

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    lol ok sky, they're reporting we're talking to henry...about the manager position

    this manager search is every college football homer's wet dream, since it appears we're only considering former players.
     
  17. zeberdee

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    seems like Arteta is inevitable at this point and the Henry interview is just a courtesy.
     
  18. elfrid

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    could see henry being the number two tbh with jens as gk coach.

    just gotta find a spot for ljungberg and pires now.
     
  19. zeberdee

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    Freddie is coaching the academy team next year.
     
  20. elfrid

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    thought i read he denied the claims a couple days ago? i haven’t seen anything since, though.
     
  21. WillySaliba

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    Henry is more terrifying for me than Pat and Mikel combined.
     
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  22. pratyk

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    Sky = Bullshit. They're just running reports to drive people to their betting site.
     
  23. rainey

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    Cesc is going to end up being the best manager of them all.
     
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  24. pratyk

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    Also a master pizza chucker.
     
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  25. elfrid

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    £50mm for a gk, cb, and dm

    any significant additional funds will likely come from selling bellerin and/or ramsey

    this is fine
     
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  26. zeberdee

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    need a winger too imo. more than a gk probably.
     
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  27. rainey

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    The Kroenke shit show has begun. Cheap manager hire. No transfer budget. .

    Sixth might be the ceiling.
     
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  28. pratyk

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    The transfer budget's gonna be based on Ramsey signing the contract IMO.
     
  29. elfrid

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    say what you want about his recent form, but jack’s repartee is still undisputed









    retardinho will never be topped though
     
  30. Wu

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    Nothing wrong with his statement. Rags gonna rag.
     
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  31. WillySaliba

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    Seeing Arteta done.
     
  32. Gunners

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    He seems really big on commitment and players buying in, wonder how that goes down with Ozil. No idea what their previous relationship was. Ozil and Ramsey are really the only 2 left that played with Arteta besides the Spaniards.
     
  33. Wu

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    If it’s true that he’ll offer Santi a role then my heart will begin to become full
     
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  34. Gunners

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    Hopefully Pires as a lower level staffer, needs some real experience for his #2

    Not sure why, kinda excited and definitely not in that I love an ex-player kind of way. Was just always impressed by his intelligence of the game, same reason I think Carrick could very easily be the best English manager in some time(not like that's some tall task with the bums out there)
     
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  35. pratyk

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    Sounds like Thierry may be coming on as well. Ex-players unite!
     
  36. WillySaliba

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    Kind of funny, especially is you listen to him on any pods. Worth a read.

     
  37. Gunners

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    Doubt it, sky money + Belgium assistant or Arteta's assistant for a lot less money. That plus his ego and being an assistant to Arteta
     
  38. NineteenNine

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    Agree on his soccer IQ for sure. Hope it translates to being the head guy.
     
  39. False9

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    I wish someone would explain to him that Champion’s League payouts are going up by 30% next year and that Arsenal could earn an additional €60-100 million by playing in the competition. Maybe that cash flow would be of interest to him.
     
  40. Gunners

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    Or how much more you get in commercial deals when you compete for big trophies, he doesn't care.
     
  41. False9

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    So 4 of the last 5 FA Cups for Giroud? Nice.
     
  42. Jorts

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    Not sure how accurate this is, but found it interesting

    https://shewore.com/2018/05/19/arsenals-50m-budget-explained/

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    The talk still continues. “Arsenal have a £50m transfer war chest”. As blogged about recently, the £50m war chest is nothing but a figure to add weight and clicks to articles.



    Recently big Dave Ornstein mentioned a pre-sales budget of ~£50m. The reliable BBC man is the only journalist I have seen get closer to the truth in what we have to spend, as he discusses “pre-sales”.

    In Arsenal’s history, we have only had a net transfer spend above £50m twice. So if the new manager is given £5 to spend, that is not the bad starting point that many make up.

    The key point that very few journalists make is that Arsenal have around £50m to spend this summer. Not a £50m transfer budget.

    “Arsenal hand manager £50m transfer budget” will get more hits than “Arsenal have £50m to spend on wages & transfer fee amortisation”. And then for the majority of gossip red tops, where journalists are paid to create hit garnering articles for advertising revenue, they do not have time to go into the truth. As the truth won’t sell.

    So Arsenal do have around £50m to spend this summer – before anyone is sold. But this does not mean we have £50m to spend on players (ie it’s not as simple as a £30m goal keeper, a £10m centre back and a £10m midfielder).

    We know Arsenal will have around £50m to spend based on club accounts, which have shown a consistent £40-£50m profit before player sales for the last few years. You can not spend money you do not have – unless you want to go into debt or be a rich mans play thing.

    So basically, Arsenal can increase their costs of running the business, or the expenditure if you like, by about £50m and still break even as a business. What it does not mean is that we have £50m for transfers.

    From this £50m budget, the club will have to to cover any increase in yearly wages, increase in agents fees and the amortisation of transfer fees.

    Any increase in wages has to come out of it the £50m. They are part of the overall budget.

    Salaries are a cost. If you increase salaries and keep income the same, profits reduce. So any increase in salaries needs to come out of that £50m.

    That mean’s Aaron Ramsey’s new contract has to come out of that £50m. Also out of this budget will come the wages of any new players we sign.

    Say we buy the 5 players we need – a goalkeeper, centre back, defensive midfielder, attacking midfielder & winger – and Ramsey signs his new deal, our wage bill will rise by about £30m. That £30m comes out of the £50m budget.

    But then this increase in wage bill will be offset by outgoing players.

    The likes of Mertesacker and Cazorla. Potentially Ospina, Perez, Campbell & Jenkinson. Maybe Jack Wilshere.

    Wilshere aside, the 5 cost in the region of £15m a year in annual salary. So that means our net increase in salaries next year will be about £15m.

    This £15m is above the £7m yearly salary increase laid out by the Premier League, but Arsenal can prove where the additional funds have come from so are able to circumnavigate the rules.

    So we increase the yearly wage bill by about £15m. That leaves us with about £35m to spend on players.

    “A £35m transfer budget, that is even worse” you scream loudly into Twitter. You are wrong.

    We do not have £35m to spend on transfers, we have £35m to spend on amortised transfer fees.

    At this point please note I have excluded agents fees as I imagine they will be at a similar level to previous years, so the cost does not increase and impact the budget.

    Football clubs are allowed to amortise the cost of a transfer fee over the length of his contract. In layman’s terms, this basically means “spread out”.

    So take Mesut Ozil. He cost the club about £45m, and signed a 5 year deal. So his transfer fee was spread across 5 years, resulting in his yearly cost impacting on the budget by just £9m.

    This summer that original 5 year deal comes to an end. Ozil is paid up. That would actually give us an additional £9m a year within our current accounts to spend on a player. But we spent that £9m in January on Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

    Aubameyang cost £50m, signing a 3 and a half year deal. This will cost Arsenal £14m a year, but with the saving on Ozil transferred across, Aubameyang actually only increases our costs by about £5m a year. Good deal.

    With then have the Mkhitaryan / Sánchez swap deal. Sanchez’s transfer fee will be written off in the next accounts, Mkhitaryan cost us nothing. That is a saving to the club in amortised transfer fees of about £9m a year again (Sanchez cost less than Ozil, but had just a 4 year contract).

    So we fast forward to this summer. We have established that we can increase the clubs outgoing by about £50m. £15m will be take up by wages, so what does the remaining £35m get you?

    Straight off the bat, we could buy a £20m centre back on a 4 year deal – that is the figure quoted for Borussia Dortmund’s Sokratis (I am not going to attempt to spell his surname). £20m over 4 years will cost the club £5m a year.

    We could then sign Jean Michael Serri. He reportedly has a £40m release clause. Hand him another 4 year deal. That works out at £10m a year I the accounts.

    So we have “spent” £60m in two players, yet the impact on the budget is just £15m. Still leaves us with £20m.

    We could then go big. £50m on a goalkeeper. Give him a 5 year deal. True cost is £10m.

    That leaves us with £10m to play with. For that we could go out and get 2 £25m players and hand them a 5 year deal. Or sign someone like Max Meyer on free, leaving us able to spend another £50m spread over 5 years.

    So let’s list what Arsenal could actually sign within their £50m budget

    1x £50m player on a 5 year deal

    1x £40m player on a 4 year deal

    1x £25m player on a 5 year deal

    1x £25m player on a 5 year deal

    1x £20m player on a 4 year deal

    £160m outlay on players, yet it will only increase our yearly outgoings by £50m. It is within the budget.

    Of course, the club won’t want to be bang on break even, as this leaves little wiggle room in future transfer windows. Although as previously signed players transfer fees become fully amortised, this frees up cash.

    And this does not even include any profit we make from players sold. We could easily raise a further £20m just in the sale of Ospina, Jenkinson, Perez & Campbell.

    The reality is, once fully explained, having a pre-sales budget of £50m is actually more than sufficient.

    Have a good weekend. Enjoy the Royal Wedding. Up the Harry.
     
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  43. AUShyGuy

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    No clue who that guy is, would be nice to hear Swissramble break it down but I don’t see the point of freaking out about the 50M.

    Why announce how much you can really spend to other clubs? No clue who we might sell due to a new system. Possible financial shenanigans like above. Enzo Cazorla can’t be too far away from the senior squad. We’ll be fine.

    the real number is £25m
     
  44. Gunners

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    that Mertesacker interview is tremendous

    sounds like Santi to Villareal, I'm sad
     
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  45. Wu

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  46. Wu

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    John Cross reporting The Boy will stay and Arteta will be announced soon
     
  47. IronLung

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    Lol if we sell Ramsey and re-up the boy. Happy Monreal made the Spain squad over that cunt Alonso.
     
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  48. tne

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    so happy for Monreal, our true player of the season

    also these Unai Emery rumors are just good (and vague) enough to make me really excited. Fuck
     
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  49. rainey

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    Why the fuck did Arsenal give a huge wage package to Wilshere? I'd have offered £40k a week max or sold him. £100k a week? Really? Didn't learn from Diaby at all, wasting precious resources and makes it difficult to sell deadwood. The socialistic wage scale Wenger preferred has got to go. Fucking tired of hearing about how high our wage bill is with this shit squad.

    The star Wilshere was, or what we all hoped he was going to be, is gone. He is a very average midfielder now. AMN should have been given a larger share of his role.
     
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  50. Wu

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    Give him 50 a week and throw in rent free flat in a council house