The Opioid Epidemic

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  1. steamengine

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    This isn't something new, but Fentanyl becoming accessible via the web from china has made the problem exponentially worse. One first class envelope full of fentanyl from china shipped through Columbus, Ohio contains enough Fentanyl to get 50,000 (!) people high, and potentially kill them. The problem is supposedly still in its early days, so I figured there should be a thread dedicated to it.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-adds-a-new-terror-for-people-abusing-opioids

    There's a clear culprit in the rising drug overdose death count in Massachusetts, but it's not heroin. It's the synthetic opioid fentanyl.

    Seventy-five percent of the state's men and women who died after an unintentional overdose last year had fentanyl in their system, up from 57 percent in 2015. It's a pattern cities and towns are seeing across the state and across the country, particularly in New England and the Rust Belt states.

    Fentanyl may be especially lethal because it's strong, it's mixed with other drugs in varying amounts unknown to the user, and it can trigger an overdose within seconds. "It happens so fast, like instantly, as soon as you do the shot," says Allyson, a 37-year-old woman who started using heroin in her late teens.

    "In the past, it [an overdose] was something that you saw happening, like, you could see the person start to slow down, their color would start to turn blue, and then they would go out, within 10 minutes or so," Allyson says. With fentanyl, there's no progression. "Now it's instant," she says.
     
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  2. Frank Costello

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    Your example is 50,000 dead OSU fans and this is supposedly an "epidemic"?
     
  3. Iron Mickey

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    It turns out we live in a world where people crush themselves with drugs to avoid facing the reality we've built. Shit is incredibly sad-- that with all the technology, knowledge, and wealth, we still institutionalize misery.
     
  4. jplaYa

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  5. steamengine

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    Listen, pal
     
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  6. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    Fill people up with shitty sugary foods and get them to have a taste for high calorie garbage.

    Now that they're fat, they'll be depressed.

    Now that they're depressed, let's give them drugs to cure the depression. Oh and since they're fat, their body aches so let's give them drugs to cure the pain.

    Now that they're addicted to painkillers, let's crack down on prescription drugs and take away their health insurance.

    Now let's act outraged and confused by why there's a heroin epidemic. "How do we stop this?!?"
     
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  7. SC

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  8. Arkadin

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    I saw something this morning about people finding fentanyl laced weed. Sweet guys way to ruin that one
     
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  9. prerecordedlive

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    We live in a world where Big Pharma is in everyone's pockets that will send them more business. They support people fucking up their bodies so that they gain a dependency on medicine.

    We are so fucking far off from treating the problem rather than treating the symptoms. Education is the first line of defense. Of course the second would be government oversight, which is all but being done away with.
     
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    "A man who makes a beast of himself...get's rid of the pain of being a man"

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  11. Cousin Eddie

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  12. Love Tractor

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    Read Dreamland by Sam Quinones. I learned a lot about the genesis of the opioid issue is the US.
     
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  13. herb.burdette

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    East Liverpool, Ohio taken September 2016, when this couple both overdosed on fentanyl-laced heroin at the same time.
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  14. dukebuckeye

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  15. dukebuckeye

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    Also, how can people get fentanyl shipped to them, but if I want a little bit of adderral it's impossible to acquire?
     
  16. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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  17. steamengine

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    Deep web.
     
  18. dukebuckeye

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    Yeah...I just don't trust the deep web. You never know what shit can be tampered with.
     
  19. Taques

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    the market provides
     
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  20. herb.burdette

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    We beat East Liverpool 14-12 my senior year. They had an OL a couple of years older than me who was a two year starter at Ohio State.

    Their school nickname is the Potters, because the US pottery industry was largely based in the area in the 1890's.

    The town now has roughly 1/3 of the population it had in 1970 with about half its current population over 50.

    If there is a more depressing place to live in the US, I'm not aware of it.
     
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  21. NoleNBlue

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    We get a few OD's a day. Usually in fast food restaurant bathrooms.
     
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  22. steamengine

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    The story I was listening to earlier said people are clearly taking the chance of getting scammed by these sellers, who aren't all legit Chinese Fentanyl labs, but it's a risk they're willing to take. And by legit I don't mean on the up & up, just legitimately moving product instead of just collecting from these people.
     
  23. Buff_Ruffnek

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    Which chain has the most repeat calls ?
     
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  24. Jake Barnes

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    A level of despondency I hope to never experience
     
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  25. TC

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    Came to suggest this; it's on my to-read list
     
  26. But remember guys, weed is the bad drug here
     
  27. Teflon Queen

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    Lol
     
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  28. PPA

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    I've tried fentanyl. AMA
     
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  29. NoleNBlue

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  30. herb.burdette

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    We took the kids to Destin and stopped to use the restroom near Montgomery Alabama. They were taking someone out of the McDonalds as we pulled in. My wife asked a worker if it was a heart attack and they said no, just another OD in the restroom.

    Told the kids to get back in and we're moving on a few more stops.
     
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  31. jorge

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    Could someone explain to me what fentanyl laced heroin is? Aren't they both opioids? Honest question.
     
  32. TC

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    Heroin is organic stuff that comes from an opium poppy. Morphine, opium and codeine are also natural derivatives of the poppy.

    Fentanyl is synthetic heroin that's made in a lab. They look at the chemical structure of heroin and reproduce it artificially. This makes it up to 1000x more potent per microgram. Fentanyl is a so-called "designer drug". Hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone etc are also synthetic opiates ("opioids").

    I guess fentanyl laced heroin would be like liquor laced beer :idk:
     
  33. Jake Scott

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    You're over here talking about me like I'm not in the room.
     
  34. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    Seriously though it's a vicious cycle.

    And god I wish loritabs didn't lead you down a bad path. They're absolutely delicious.
     
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  35. Jake Scott

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    I kicked opioids years ago. I take them every now and then, though. :lick:
     
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  36. dukebuckeye

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    Police in P.E.I. have put out a compelling image to illustrate how powerful some of Canada's deadliest opioids can be — and how easily they can be disguised in other popular recreational drugs.

    The Kensington Police Service posted a photo to Facebook Monday, showing vials of just how little heroin, fentanyl and carfentanil it takes to kill the average adult.


    The side-by-side vials contain a small amount of heroin, a few dozen grains of fentanyl and just one grain of carfentanil.



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    Across the country, police have been warning about the emergence of carfentanil — a synthetic opioid similar to fentanyl but 100 times more powerful.


    Last September, Winnipeg police said the drug, which is used to tranquilize elephants and other large animals, had finally crept into Manitoba after popping up in Alberta and B.C.

    They warned carfentanil is often mixed in with other drugs such as cocaine or crystal meth — and often drug users have no idea their drugs have been tainted.
     
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  37. TC

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    The sad part is when someone ODs you know what the other fiends say? "Damn where'd he get that shit; I want some because it must be good"
     
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  38. dukebuckeye

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    Carfentanil is most often taken with heroin or by users who believe they are taking heroin. Carfentanil is added to or sold as heroin because it's less expensive, easier to get (Chinese firms advertise and sell carfentanil over the Internet, offering advice to customers in other countries on how to import it illegally) and easier to make than genuine heroin.

    The toxicity of carfentanil has been compared to that of nerve gas, according to the Associated Press' article "Chemical weapon for sale: China's unregulated narcotic". The article quoted Andrew C. Weber, Assistant US Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Defense Programs from 2009 to 2014, as saying "It's a weapon. Companies shouldn't be just sending it to anybody."
     
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  39. TC

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    :ohholkyfuck:
     
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  40. Redav

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    Seinfeld had a joke about otc drugs but the premise works. "How much will kill me? Ok, take that amount and back it off a little."
     
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  41. Corch

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  42. prerecordedlive

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    Well that's fun when something that small can kill you.
     
  43. Long Ball Larry

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    I watched an interesting report the other day discussing Naloxone/Narcan. Interesting takeaway was how the price of Naloxone has increased by like 10x over the last few years and is manufactured by the same companies selling the opioids that are killing people.
     
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  44. TC

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    A lot of the same companies also have a financial stake in rehab centers...
     
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  45. dukebuckeye

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    To be fair, the companies selling the opiods are not selling them to use illegally and kill people.
     
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  46. TC

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    ...but they don't give a fuck when that inevitably happens
     
  47. ohbluefan

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    Why do you guys think it's so much worse in the Midwest? Nothing to do?

    My wife just lost a friend a month ago and I read an 18 year old girl in Lima Oh just OD'd the other day. She didn't look the part of a heroin addict, pretty girl.

    It's becoming an epidemic here in the Midwest unfortunately.
     
  48. Chicago Seminole

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    Economic/social stagnation.
     
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  49. TC

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    Has this been objectively established? Haven't seen state by state stats. There's certainly no shortage of people hooked in SC. Have heard Florida's one of the worst
     
  50. dukebuckeye

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    Probably not fair to lump everyone together, but I understand your point.