The Opioid Epidemic

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  1. blotter

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    if money drives everything and I take responsibility for my financial well being and make choices to that end would that not lead me to choose foods that are artificially cheap due to subsidies?

    sorry for further derailing, but it seems plain as day we will only stop using tax payer dollars to pump corn sludge into people once there is a shared health bill
     
  2. BrickTamland

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    77% of Americans own a smartphone.

    You could have made the "access to information" argument 10y ago, but not in 2017.
     
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  3. TDCD

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    You can absolutely get high and even OD on suboxone.
     
  4. Redav

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    So why do you think such a large percentage of people are still overweight(like 70%)? It seems like access to information and "personal responsibility" aren't working
     
  5. Arkadin

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    Wait you think all these people got hooked in 2017?
     
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  6. BrickTamland

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    Yes, all of them.
     
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  7. BrickTamland

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    I agree.
     
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  8. BrickTamland

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    But I'm not of the mindset that it's my government's job to make me healthy.
     
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  9. Arkadin

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    Its your governments responsibility to not turn a blind eye to companies hurting its people intentionally to grow their profits simply because they paid them off :twocents:

    Shits weak as fuck.
     
  10. Frank Martin

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  11. Frank Martin

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    Probably doesn't hit you the same way it hits people doing it for fun.

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  12. Daniel Ocean

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    Most are Lazy and like shit unhealthy food. Drink their calories. Some are poor and can't afford or don't have access to healrhier options.
     
  13. Mikelangelo

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    Starting to think it's everywhere now.
     
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  14. Magneto

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    That number seems really high when you factor in children and elderly people.
     
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  15. Chicago Seminole

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    Capitalist society shapes desires and norms. So it's kind of silly to spit out some idealogical tripe about individualism/free choice. Free will is limited. That's science.

    "America Number 1", For example, that belief of yours is not a choice you arrived at on your own. It was shaped by ideological structures/forces. If you look at actual data (infant mortality, crime, gini coefficient, etc.) then that premise becomes kind of fucking stupid.

    Even addiction isn't a choice right? We all tried drugs in school and there was always that friend that "chose" to get addicted. Clearly some people are biologically predisposed To addiction.

    Does the greatest country in the world do nothing while 50,000 people a year overdose? Is it a coincidence that this "choice" is occurring in regions where manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas?
     
  16. Fudd Gates

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  17. 941Gator

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    I'd also need him to define smartphone
     
  18. indeed

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    Good doc on HBO. White folk, all started with injuries or surgeries.

    http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/warning-this-drug-may-kill-you

    Consider yourself lucky if a Perc or Hydro makes you nauseous or if just have strong willpower, you have a good chance of staying away from this problem and all the shit that goes with it.

    Big issue is that for many with chronic pain issues opis usually quickly assert themselves as a tonic for concurrent emotional pain or depression. The euphoria and empathy and carefree feelings are really hard to resist, since they are super hard things to feel organically when you have health related depression or just sadness or struggles in general.

    Hard to see the epidemic getting better any time soon.
     
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  19. M'ark Pepperonio

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    I could give a fuck if she wrote a good article in the past. It's a simplistic article which is damaging in so many ways written for the army of idiots who pucker up to Shane's butthole to suck down the sludge like funfetti frosting just so they can regurgitate the same shit to act like they have an interesting take.
     
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  21. Mikelangelo

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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/23/healt...rolina-police-help-opioid-addicts0910AMVODtop

    North Carolina police chief helps addicts beat opioid addiction
    By Meridith Edwards and Kaylee Hartung, CNN



    Nashville, North Carolina (CNN)He's only 24 years old, but he struggled with addiction for more than a decade. Thomas Spikes now owes his sobriety to none other than to the chief of police in this small eastern North Carolina town.

    "He saved my life for sure," he said. "I owe a lot to him and the program."
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    Thomas Spikes credits police with helping him kick his opioid addiction.
    That program, called the HOPE initiative, is a collaboration between Nashville's town manager, Hank Raper, and Chief Thomas Bashore. As deaths from opioids continue to dramatically rise across America, topping the list for unintentional deaths at a higher rate than car accidents, North Carolina saw more than a 340% increase from 2010 to 2016.


    "There's no clear characteristic of what a heroin or opioid addiction looks like. It's not a white problem, it's not a black problem, it's not a Hispanic problem, middle class, working class, upper class. It affects all peoples of all walks of life," Raper told CNN.
    So, the conversation began on how this small town of 5,400, where everyone knows their neighbors, could get ahead of the problem. The HOPE initiative, modeled after the innovative "Angel" program in Gloucester, Massachusetts, which opens the way for addicts to get police assistance and medical help without fear of arrest, is a way of rethinking law enforcement's role in responding to this growing epidemic.
    "They walk into the front door, if they have drugs or paraphernalia on them at any time, they can turn it into us at that time, and have no charges filed. And we facilitate them into recovery," Chief Bashore said.
    Drugs, but no arrest
    So far the department has seen paraphernalia, syringes, cookers, pipes and injection "rigs" turned in. "We have actually had individuals who have brought in heroin bags and turned that over because they knew that they were going to get into recovery and they didn't want that around when they got out," Bashore said.
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    Possession of heroin in North Carolina is a felony charge and having paraphernalia is a misdemeanor. Bashore and Raper met with the county's district attorney to ensure he was on board with not charging people. He was in full support.
    HOPE, which is not an acronym but the town's offer of help in capital letters, kicked off on February 9, 2016. Eight days into the program, the first addict came into the police department.
    "It was eye-opening, recalls Chief Bashore. "That individual came in and we spent the better part of seven and a half hours getting him processed. Only then did I leave the hospital and come back to the police department to start calling facilities to start having him placed, after he left detox. You can spend hours on the phone, calling facilities, saying, "do you have a bed?"
    Chief escorts addicts to detox
    Chief Bashore has driven many of the 172 men and women of HOPE to a detox facility himself. He has built personal relationships with several rehabilitation facilities across the state who now alert him when they have space available. And the business card he passes out has his personal cell phone number.
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    Nashville Chief of Police Thomas Bashore.
    "My cellphone, it rings all the time. Each participant who comes through the program and all their family members have it. So, when they need something, they reach out," Bashore said.
    HOPE has created a positive result between the police and the community. Bashore says he wants people to understand that substance abuse is a disease and the police department's intention is to be "supportive not only for their benefit, but for the community benefit."
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    Nashville, North Carolina, offers a unique program to help opioid addicts recover.
    Since the program began, Bashore says crime is down 40% in the town, about 45 miles northeast of Raleigh. "We've had a pretty significant drop in our crimes that are associated with substance-abuse disorder. Things like shoplifting and larcenies and breaking into cars."
    HOPE is not limited to residents of Nashville. People from all over the state have walked through the police station doors, as well as someone from California and Pennsylvania.
    The program comes at no cost to the participants. It is funded through small grants, fundraisers and donations.
    "The chief paid for the first two months that I was there and the rehab I was at," recalled Spikes. Four months removed from rehab, he is now sober after a relationship with drugs and alcohol for more than half his life.
    Unlikely friendship
    Spikes told CNN he first used drugs when he was just 12 years old. "It started off with just smoking weed," he said, "then occasional pills, and it progressed through the years." His addiction became a $200 to $300 a day habit at its worst.
    Heroin became his drug of choice. He was caught with it in October 2016 and sent to jail. His arrest led to his first encounter with Bashore.
    Spikes was skeptical of police and their offer to help. "You don't talk to cops, you don't associate with them, they're not your friends," he said.
    That changed quickly. Spikes said he recognized Bashore was solely there to help him, no questions asked. The chief "never tried to pry into anything in my life in that era," Spikes said, "(He doesn't) care who you hang out with, what kind of drugs you do."
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    FDA to require expanded training on opioids

    Spikes has cycled through countless rehab facilities, but says his life made a complete turnaround because of the chief and the HOPE initiative. "He saved my life for sure because if it wasn't for the HOPE Initiative, I wouldn't have gotten help."
    As he hops back on the tiller in the hot summer sun, he smiles and says "my life has done a 180. I'm working, I have a vehicle, a house, I have a beautiful girlfriend with a baby on the way."
    And as for Bashore, he lives up to the name of his program. He hopes to continue to battle the opioid epidemic in his town, one addict at a time.
    "Of those 172 people that have come through the program, I've actually been to two funerals. Knowing what the alternative could have been for Thomas ... (who) just recently disclosed to me that his girlfriend's pregnant, he's going to be a father," he said. "So, that's an amazing thing. That touches me deeply."
     
  22. AlternativeFactsRule

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  23. Mikelangelo

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    nm
     
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  24. Bruce Wayne

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    Kaylee Hartung works for CNN now?

    Great article too
     
  25. indeed

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    Every time I was at the pain mgmt practice for the monthly re-up, there would usually be several pharm reps passing in or out, usually attractive females bringing lunch or goodies for the staff and then meeting with a doc. Pretty common in general with whole drug industry and doctors offices, but it's really sad that ultimately the roots of the opi epidemic is going to come down to aggressive marketing and fees, when it was pretty clear years ago that these things were bad news for most people beyond a few weeks.

     
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  26. Tiffin

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  27. steamengine

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  28. Blu Tang Clan

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  29. Frank Martin

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    Is this a product of how much easier it is to get drugs in the US?

    I see Canada isn't listed.
     
  30. AlternativeFactsRule

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  31. steamengine

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    That's Western Europe and us.
     
  32. WillieHuff

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    Define "Drug-Related Deaths"
     
  33. slogan119

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    It's several factors, but some of this is there being a finite reduction in daily calories and an infinite possible consumption. Combine that with short attention spans, lack of immediate gratification, the inability to change habits, peer pressure, and the fact that it's just hard to do, and most people will fail.
     
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  34. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Most of those numbers being from different years makes me incredibly suspicious.
     
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  35. Mikelangelo

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    The numbers may be off but the fact that it's one of the worst problems in this country isn't.
     
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  36. Wu

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    Wtf is wrong with you
     
  37. Wu

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    Sorry I just hopped into this thread for the first but I just read this and knowing multiple people including some direct relatives affected by drug addiction, tears welled up.
     
  38. OhReally

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    Put their asses in jail and quit wasting tax payer money. This coddling of opiate users is purely a money and class thing now that it's hit suburbia. No one tried to rehabilitate poor crackheads and meth addicts so let's not start now.
     
  39. Tony Ray Bans

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    How do you think jails are funded my guy?
     
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  40. OhReally

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    Then put their ass on the chain gang and let them earn their keep.
     
  41. NoNatty

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    So because treated addicts like shit in the past means we should continue doing it?

    This has worked really well for other crime. I like your thinking.
     
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  43. TC

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    I think we can already see the broad contours of how this flamefest circular argument will go; let's just save time and move on. Thanks OhReally for stopping by
     
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  45. soulfly

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    Drugs were decriminalized in Portugal 16 years ago.
     
  46. OHW

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    lol wat

    well he's not wrong
     
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  47. JeremyLambsFace

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    The approach you're taking wastes more tax payer money and doesn't fix the problem. Congrats on being an idiot.
     
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