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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by steamengine, Jun 23, 2017.
I'm a bit confused, for lack of a better word I guess, why they're so addictive? I had a vasectomy 2 weeks ago, and was prescribed Perc for my recovery. I didn't feel any different mentally or physically when I took them, what are they supposed to actually do? Are people taking more than one to get results?
Also at the same time if such pills are such a potential problem for some, why is such a high volume prescribed? I was given 40, and only used 2(mainly out of fear the first day of the local wearing off). What the hell is the purpose of 40? Seems like perhaps that could be as much of a problem as any for getting people started. Some people might feel the need to use all 40, or that since 40 was given it wouldn't be any issue using all 40.
Maybe I was just overly conscious about the fact that I have no interest whatsoever in fucking around and getting hooked on pills?
Found the article interesting, but also found the first comment interresting...
If you write this headline another way:
11 of 12 Doctors are Not Involved in Payments from Opiod Manufacturers
Of those that do get payments, the average amount is only $675.
While $675 is not chump change, it is hardly a windfall for some of the most educated people in our society. This is being sensationalized to convince you that doctors are in the pocket of big pharma.
If you really want to know, you'd have to do something very irresponsible. Which is pop a bunch of them to see how it feels. You might would even have to do that a couple times to get "used" to the feeling sorta like having to acquire a taste for beer. You can probably imagine why doing this would be a bad idea though so prob better to just remain mystified. It basically works by causing your brain to release dopamine/various neurochemicals that make you feel euphoric, and by opening up your blood vessels more giving you a warm feeling.
You did the right thing by quitting when you didn't need it anymore. Some people see on a bottle "take 2x per day" and they just keep doing it. Some people obey anything a "doctor" says like a robot and don't critically think about it at all.
2-3 Percocet + a six pack of beer is a p gd good feeling. 2-3 Percocet alone is a p gd good feeling. Try one or the two and come back and tell us how you don't understand
Once you like that try chewing up or snorting a 30mg Oxycontin. After that see how you like sucking the gel out of fentanyl patches. Then it's pretty much time to bust out the needle and start mainlining stuff
Oh I've been to the bottom fam and came back up. Ijs, people saying they took two pills out of a script and don't understand the hype can't really comment
Ok, I can understand that. I guess my question was along the lines of how many that become hooked are following the recommended instructions versus those who are using them improperly?
Taking the one per 4-6 hours, I didn't feel anything that made me feel any different(aside from not feeling like I got kicked in the balls perhaps). Seems like abuse from the get go, and or taking them longer than actually needed is the ticket down that road.
A lot of people in the "opioid epidemic" got fucked up by Oxcontin which is supposed to be a time release drug. The manufacturers ended up getting sued bc the drug didn't last as long as it said it would on the bottle which caused people to redose and get hooked more. When using opioids properly, you don't want to go from extremes of euphoria to withdrawal. That's what creates an addiction
From my own experience:
Broke my ankle when I was 19. They threw me in a boot, gave me a script of 7.5 lortab and told me to limit myself. I saw I could walk, could stand, decided that was good enough to work and whatever else. Was terrified of pills at the time because pops was an addict so I would hardly touch them but at a point, started taking them and being that I was not really following the light duty instructions, would deal with pain sooner than I should. Sooo, I'd take an extra. That extra got me high, that high was bomb af, headed down a shitty hill till I heard the words "I'm pregnant" and climbed back up. I got low but never did heroin or used needles but I've certainly snorted a pill or two in my time. Luckily I got out. It took me separating myself from lifelong friends and people I cared about because at a point, your circle is toxic. Some of those people fixed themselves and are happy and healthy. A handful are dead.
There is no better feeling in the world then being high as shit on opioids. Orgasms are the only thing that come close, and those don't last nearly as long.
- someone who used to blow tons of oxy.
im glad ive always hated pills
Broke my foot while playing ball in college and was prescribed percocets. Poppin those things made it feel like like my cast wasn't even on my leg. Could definitely see how someone could get addicted to them.
Nothing worse than dealing with a narc addict giving their worst pity plea to get their shit.
Being the narc addict is probably a little worse.
My brother in law was supposed to enter a rehab on Monday. He's a nice guy but so deep in addiction that he doesn't even know himself. He's 32 has a kid he hasn't seen in 3 years. Is an alcoholic, and a user. OD'd in the car apparently on the way to rehab. Confirmed heroin, this is his 2nd OD this year.
It's impossible to fully understand drug addiction unless you have been addicted.
unquestionably true. Didn't come off as tongue in cheek as I meant it, and apologies if I offended.
One of the things complicating the reversal of this crisis is the near universal burnout among professionals working against it, waging tireless, fruitless, joyless, usually futile battles against addict brain. People's opioid addicted brains render them into manipulative, aggressive, violent, ungrateful individuals.
So while the disease itself is awful, the disease also makes them completely insufferable to treat. It's less like medicine, more like exorcism.
And opioid addicts get other real health problems too. Trying to control legitimate pain issues in someone that tells you they abuse opioids is not an easy task.
Also, some people are just wired to enjoy opiates more than others. It's a crazy thing I can remeber being years old breaking my arm and my parents giving me liquid Lortab. It has/had that strong of an affect on my brain chemistry. Some people just aren't wired that way for lack of better terminology.
I agree but I also think the "acquired taste" thing is a factor too. Kid I saw get addicted the worst loved the first Lortab he ever popped for getting his wisdom teeth out, whereas I knew other people that would mess around with pain pills as just another thing until one day they fell in love
I agree with this as well. You take enough and it will/can alter the brain chemistry.
After 8 months of rehab, I am finally returning home to NYC to be with my soon-to-be fiancee and dog.
I have a job lined up and will be living in a sober house temporarily.
I feel fantastic mentally, but these last 8.5 months have been harder than I can properly delineate. What an absolutely fucking ridiculous journey.
Real happy for you man
Congrats man that's huge
That’s awesome, keep up the good work!
Started in college, I got into a fight being young and dumb, ended up breaking my hand. Older friend in my fraternity was into it, said it would help with the pain... we railed a line of oxy, turned on a movie and thus began a 6 year addiction.
Most here won't know me, but when I was posting back then I could be a real dick. It's been over 18 months since I've rid my body of all opiates. I'm lucky to have had the money to afford not to do heroin, a doctor who could help me tapper with suboxin, and a psychiatrist for the mental anguish and depression in the year that followed. I never did anything harder than pills so I never thought I was in danger of overdosing, and and to make things worse I was highly functional even in my worst times of addiction.
I'm beginning to feel myself again now, and I'm thankful for the friends who stuck with me despite my efforts to push them away and dig myself into an even deeper pit of isolation.
Not sure why I'm typing this, but fuck it.
Thank you for typing it. I’m glad to see your progress.
I’m coming off 9+ months of multiple oxy per day due to ruptured c5-c6, c6-c7.
I had spinal surgery a couple of months ago and I’m just now coming off oxy. It sucks. I miss it everyday. There are times where I just want to ball up and crush one or two and go. I was in so much pain and the pills were the only relief. Now I feel a void in my body.
I just hope it will get better with time bc I have a wife and 2 very young kids that rely on me.
Excellent news. I’m very happy for you man.
Stay strong brother
I'm coming up on two years, let me know if anyone ever needs to talk.
God damn I love seeing people getting clean. Happy for you guys. Keep up the great work.
Yeah, this guy gets it.
People forget that.
Found out last night that a friend was found doa by his dad at their office. Apparently, unbeknownst to everybody that knew him, he had an an opiate addiction. So weird because he barely even smoked pot in college, let alone, harder drugs. This guy was a young, bright attorney, with a happy marriage and three young children. Absolutely heartbreaking.
People should carry around Narcan with them at all times.
That's horrible. Obviously addiction affects every segment of the population, but attorneys are particularly susceptible.
Keep up the good work guys
Darknet Opioid Ring Suspect to Stay in Jail Until Trial
Posted by: C. Aliens December 11, 2017 in Featured, News Updates 2 Comments
Drew Wilson Crandall, an alleged member of a Utah-based darknet opioid ring, must wait for an upcoming trial from behind bars, U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball ruled in late November. A grand jury had previously indicted Crandall and five co-conspirators for their roles in an international drug trafficking organization.
Crandall allegedly helped Aaron Michael Shamo rise as a successful darknet vendor. According to the prosecution, Shamo sold fentanyl-pressed “oxycodone” pills and counterfeit Xanax under the pseudonym “Pharma-Master.” As the investigation into Pharma-master proceeded, investigators uncovered evidence of a much larger criminal conspiracy than they had initially discovered. The first Indictment accused only Crandall and Shamo of founding and participating in the criminal enterprise.
Superseding indictments encompassed a much wider group of suspected conspirators, but prosecutors maintain that Shamo and Crandall played the most significant roles. The duo bought pill presses, coloring agents, stamps for manufacturer logos, and pill fillers and binders. They ordered fentanyl and alprazolam from suppliers in China, court records revealed.
After establishing a pill production center, the conspirators allegedly created the Pharma-master darknet identity. As Pharma-master, Shamo and Crandall distributed more than 12,000 grams of controlled substances. From the Utah lab, the conspirators sold hundreds of thousands of fake oxycodone pills to buyers on the darknet. They created fentanyl pills pressed like certain legitimately manufactured oxycodone pills. One listing advertised “oxycodone 30mg.” The pill had the “A 215” marker used by the pharmaceutical Activis.
In less than one year, court documents revealed, Shamo and Crandall earned more than 2.8 million dollars from counterfeit pill sales. Police found 500,000 pills at a property owned by Shamo. During the raid at his Cottonwood Heights home, authorities found one million dollars stored in garbage bags.
As the operation grew, Shamo and Crandall had allegedly needed more members and locations to stash and receive supplies. They recruited Alexandrya Marie Tonge, Katherine Lauren Ann Bustin, Mario Anthony Noble, and Sean Michael Gygi. Federal authorities first arrested Shamo. Crandall, the prosecution claimed, had obstructed federal investigations by “globe-trotting.” Police caught him in Hawaii where he had allegedly continued his involvement in the conspiracy. The other defendants responded to a federal court summons.
Crandall maintained that his time overseas had no connection to the illegal activity federal authorities had accused him of committing. He told the court that he had returned to Hawaii after his globe-trotting trip in order to marry his girlfriend. The prosecution argued that he had fled in hopes of avoiding arrest.
U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball believed the weight of the criminal activity and flight risk outweighed Crandall’s strong community support and lack of criminal history. The 30-year-old will remain in custody until his next court appearance.
piece of shit
Fent dealers should rot with no chance of parole with DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Xavier, and Brad waiting in line to eat jelly with syrup. Fuck that guy.
There's truly no telling how many bodies they piled up over that year. They should be publicly executed
Those guys aren’t mad at dealers fwiw
This was just on 60 minutes, not sure if the full video piece is out there
Damn, good for the Schiller guy speaking up but sadly won't do a thing.
It's good thing we have sessions assembling a crew to say that marijuana is not an opiod replacement for pain relief.
Also, caught the tail end of an NPR story talking to a dude that kicked a huge oxy addiction he had for like 8 years. Said the first several times he snorted oxy he puked, but the high was so incredible he was still sold on it. Went from a $40/wk habit to an $80/day habit. I'll have to see if I can find it. It was likely a re-air
Tell that to all the seniors my brother and I are selling CBD pills to. There people who have never smoked in their life and and they are saying it is the best they have felt in 10+ years. Jeff Sessions can get fucked.